SEC vs OOC new stat

[Bucs90]

I wanted to work on a new stat, just for debate. I figured the SEC's OOC record vs current BCS teams since 1980.

However, I added a wrinkle. Being a fan of Southern football, I excluded all wins and losses vs Southern teams. So, for example, the Clemson vs South Carolina games are not included. UGA vs Tech, FSU vs UF, and so on. I did include Louisville vs UK, reason stated in next paragraph.

As for what teams were excluded, any BCS team located in what I consider the Southern states: NC, SC, FLA, GA, VA, TN, LA, MS, AL. All games vs any Texas BCS school, which hurt the SEC's stats, were counted because Texas is not widely considered the South. Louisville vs UK counted, because although UK is in the SEC, Louisville, IMO is not in the South because Kentucky the state is not in the South, IMO. But the games counted on SEC's record.


So, the SEC's OOC record, vs current BCS teams NOT in the South, is...................: .560

I expected around .600. Here is what I found, that since 1980

-The SEC has a lot of annual games. LSU vs Texas AM for a while, when AM won a lot of them.
-There is not a lot of matchups vs non-Southern BCS teams. Not nearly as large a sample as I'd thought. Big Ten/Pac 10 vs current SEC teams is pretty rare.

Here are the records:

UF- 12-8
Bama- 26-17
Ark- 32-31 (lots of games vs Texas schools)
Auburn- 16-11
UGA- 19-6
UK-25-27 (21-18 without the Louisville games)
LSU- 22-18
Ole Miss- 5-7
MSU- 8-7
S.C.- 12-13 (played Nebraska quite a few times, suprisingly, in 80's)
UT- 35-18 (by far performs best against non-Southern teams)
Vandy- 11-11

I also saw that if I did this stat for any 1-A team, non-Southern, the record would be a lot better. But, to be fair, I did only non-Southern current BCS teams.

Record appx .560.

Let comments begin........Should I have included Texas schools or not, should I count UK vs Louisville, should Arkansas' SWC days be counted or just their SEC days......? Any more?

[Bucky]

I can't believe someone would waste so much of their own time.


So, YHM thinks the SEC is the best conference ever and without question will continue to be the best until the end of football. ....we have really learned a lot in this thread....

[Bucs90]

No, I'm a fan of Southern football. And not because I'm a fan of the actual "South". In fact, my definition of the South has nothing to do with the Confederacy or anything like that. In fact, I'm glad the Confederate flag is disappearing from Southern culture, and I'm not into the Civil War or any old-school Southern stuff.

I just love Southern football- the culture, the passion, the rivalries, etc. And, while I'm a big SEC fan, I'm a bigger fan of Southern football in general- FSU, Miami, Tech, 1-AA teams, all-black schools- I just love it.

I played at Furman, thus I don't have an allegiance to any 1-A team. But, as I said, am a fan of Southern football.

The stat I provided was for a few reasons. Hen points to the SEC's record vs BCS teams to be around .500, average. I, being a fan of Southern football, was curious what the SEC's record was vs BCS teams outside the South in modern football years. Just out of entertainment and curiosity. I didn't use the stat for any point or knocking any other team or conference. I was just curious. One reason being the ferocity and unpredictability of rivalries between Southern teams. The Mississippi schools vs U of Memphis, the Texas schools vs LSU and Arkansas, of course the Florida in-state rivalries, USC vs Clemson. I know the stat Hen provided included the SEC's South Carolina losing a LOT of games to Clemson, as well as UF losing to FSU a lot. Just wondered what the stat would look like without those rivalries.

And, those intense rivalries exist everywhere. UM vs OSU, ND vs SoCal, OU vs TX. But it's just my opinion that there are a lot of those type rivalries in the South, and wondered how they affect the SEC's OOC record.

Sorry Bucky. From now on, I'll just use blanket statements without fact or stats.

[buckeyejim]

Maryland is not a southern state. Washington DC was the capitol of the Union and it was not isolated within the south. The Mason Dixon line was not the true border of the Union and Confederate states. Maryland was a Union state.

[Bucs90]

Cool. Again, I don't base my selections on anything to do with the Confederacy, Civil War, or anything like that. Just what I consider the South.

[Bucs90]

thanks for the info. Again, I don't base my definition of South on anything dealing with the Civil War or Confederacy. I've never had any interest in either of those topics. I just love Southern football!

[Byrd306/TS637]

As much as I support it in all athletic endeavors (save the rare instances of contests against LSU), the University of Maryland is no more a Southern school than Rutgers, Duke, or Tulane.

[Bucky]

By using such old standards, do we still consider Missouri a western state?

[Bucs90]

Nope, Missouri isn't western. Like I said, my standard has nothing to do with a civil war thing or confederacty. Unlike some Southerners, I'm glad that part of Southern history is fading away and only in history books and museums.

I kind of consider the "south" mostly the SEC states, minus Kentucky and plus Virginia. Although I'm open for other opinions.

[Blue Hen]

B90,

Just for fun..........what would become of 'Southern' college football if the NCAA required a 1000 minimum SAT and a 3.00 HS GPA for playing eligibility ?

[Bucs90]

Ha ha, well Hen, while watching the Ole Miss vs Alabama game, I saw a commercial ad for the U of Alabama, and they stated they have more Academic All-Americans in their athletic department than any other school in America, so it may be OK!!

As for football, I don't know. I'd say many Southern teams, as well as most all BCS teams, would suffer. Hell, most Division 1 teams period would suffer. With those requirements, Duke, Northwestern and Vandy would be NC contenders!!

However, would it be fair to require a standard higher than is required of normal students while also demanding 25 hours per week of their free-time during high school? I'm all for academic standards being higher, but let us not forget the time demands big-time college sports requires of it's athletes.

But, just for fun, yeah Hen, guess it could affect the ole South a bit. But, last time I checked, a quarterback's audibles did not included algebraic equations!!!! ha ha

[Bucs90]

Hmm. Sounds like an off-season topic? It's been beat to death on here before. We'll save it for March or April!