TRIVIA (3pts)

[Blue Hen]

What has Boise Jr. College, Holy Cross,U of Pennsylvania and Hardin-Simmons..EACH accomplished in football, that the collective 12 SEC teams have been unable to ????

[Don]

What has Boise Jr. College, Holy Cross,U of Pennsylvania and Hardin-Simmons..EACH accomplished in football, that the collective 12 SEC teams have been unable to ????

They have avoided being pissed on by you:)

What do I win?

[Blue Hen]

Actually, I can't remember ever pissing on Vanderbilt

[GatorGrad]

When you "piss" on the SEC, how are you not pissing on Vandy? They are one of our 12 members, no?

[buckeyejim]

What has Boise Jr. College, Holy Cross,U of Pennsylvania and Hardin-Simmons..EACH accomplished in football, that the collective 12 SEC teams have been unable to ????


Compete at the Division I-AA (Division I Football Championship Subdivision) Level?

[Stumpy Stew]

Could it be defeated Oklahoma in a bowl game? Or played in a New's Day (one of the big time) bowls?

[Blue Hen]

no, no,no, nothing like that

[kocurt]

What has Boise Jr. College, Holy Cross,U of Pennsylvania and Hardin-Simmons..EACH accomplished in football, that the collective 12 SEC teams have been unable to ????

Put a DB in the NFL hall of fame?

[aufan59]

Put a DB in the NFL hall of fame?

That isn't something the team accomplishes, so no.

[Blue Hen]

Answer :

Kocurt had the right idea.

Boise Jr. College, Holy Cross, Penn and Hardin-Simmons, each produced a Pro Hall Of Fame quality linebacker. There has never been a linebacker that played in the SEC good enough to make it to Canton.

[GatorGrad]

Answer :

Kocurt had the right idea.

Boise Jr. College, Holy Cross, Penn and Hardin-Simmons, each produced a Pro Hall Of Fame quality linebacker. There has never been a linebacker that played in the SEC good enough to make it to Canton.

You sure do love that stat when it comes to needling the SEC. How many different ways are you going to point it out? Not only are you picking one single position, but you are basing it on NFL performance...a completely different league. Danny Wuerffel was a wonderful college football player. An All American, Heisman Trophy Winner, and set the all time D-I record for passing TD's in his career. But he didn't have much of an NFL career. But should he be used as an example that the SEC doesn't have good QB play? Same goes for all of the other great college players that couldn't cut it in the NFL, or didn't make the HOF in the NFL.

[Blue Hen]

Agreed. So you think I need some new and fresh material ? Nobody picked it up so it must not be that redundant.

Also embarrassing - in it's long history the SEC has yet to produce a single defensive back good enough to make the 'hall'. No LBs, no DBs...from the 'speed' conference ????..hhhmmmm. No other conference can say that.

[aufan59]

Please ignore this troll. He needs help other than what we can give him.

[GatorGrad]

Agreed. So you think I need some new and fresh material ? Nobody picked it up so it must not be that redundant.

Also embarrassing - in it's long history the SEC has yet to produce a single defensive back good enough to make the 'hall'. No LBs, no DBs...from the 'speed' conference ????..hhhmmmm. No other conference can say that.

Just because nobody knew that those random schools have produced an NFL HOF LB doesn't mean that nobody knew that the SEC has never produced one or that you saying as much at least once a month isn't being redundant.

Also, how do players enter the HOF? I believe they are voted, no? If so, how does a player control their own destiny for the HOF? What is the exact statistical criteria needed to ensure that a player enters the NFL HOF? It must be "mythical" since it is voted, right? So why does the NFL HOF mean something to you, but the BCS does not? Just wondering...now who's being "selective" in their logic?

:)

[buckeyejim]

Boxing matches are by "scored" by a mythical scoring method.
Gymnastics scoring is done via "judging"
Diving is done via "judging"

I guess they are wearing "mythical" gold, silver and bronze medals.

Heck, the President of the United States is "voted" in through the electorial college.

That's why I contend that the national champions are NOT mythical, but they are REAL champions because it's a system that is agreed upon prior to the season by all Division I Football Bowl Subdivision schools.

It the schools agree to it then so do I.

Sure, I'd like to see a better system but this is what we have and it's not mythical.

[Blue Hen]

Naturally, SEC guys are going to play down the greatness of HOFers (which happen to be the best to ever play the game ). If the Hall was loaded with ex SEC RBs ,WRs, LBs, and DBs, it surely would be 'proof', right ?, of all that great dominant talent passing through that conference.
BTW, interior lineman...both O & D have been the SEC's strength as far as producing FB legends, plus the 5 HOF QBs. Only the B10 and P10 have produced more 'hall' QBs.

[aufan59]

Why would there be that many quality DBs in the SEC when they have just recently learned to throw the football consistantly with Spurrier in the 90s?

We SEC fans like to use logic, unlike you.

I suggest you seek help because that obsession is owning you.

[Blue Hen]

Ok, if "real" is your chosen terminology for big time CF's assorted 'voted' , 'opinionated' 'polled', 'ranked' etc.etc. football championships, than what is your chosen terminolgy for all the team championships throughout the rest of the sports world, including NCAA football, that were determined via post season, on field, head to head, elimination competition ?


Also , Buckeyejim, what makes you think that every school agrees to this system? All it takes is a simple majority vote . In other words, 61 schools can vote to allow pollsters and computers to determine champions, 59 schools can vote to play it off....and the poll system becomes the used system. This system is not unanimously "agreed on".

[Blue Hen]

Yes, aufan..........thanks for leading the way in logical thinking.

[GatorGrad]

Naturally, SEC guys are going to play down the greatness of HOFers (which happen to be the best to ever play the game ). If the Hall was loaded with ex SEC RBs ,WRs, LBs, and DBs, it surely would be 'proof', right ?, of all that great dominant talent passing through that conference.
BTW, interior lineman...both O & D have been the SEC's strength as far as producing FB legends, plus the 5 HOF QBs. Only the B10 and P10 have produced more 'hall' QBs.

Come on Hen...this is straw-grasping defined. Your obsession with the SEC is comical to say the least. Actually, watching you try to find every which way to needle the conference is flattering. It is human nature for people to pick on teams/people/etc that many consider to be "the best." :)

[Blue Hen]

GG,
I've simply been sent here for 'balance'.....not that one lone SEC myth debunker can truly offset the volume of factless hype offered by the SEC blowhards, but I'm just doin my job :-)

[Blue Hen]

I see your point. Emmitt will be the first RB from the SEC to make the hall since Jim Taylor.......a white guy who played 50 years ago. Isn't that kind of surprising ?
I don't know if I buy that 'style of play' thing or not. NFL people know where to find raw talent , regardless of 'style of play' .The NFL is and always has been full of ex SEC lbs, wrs dbs and rbs.....'quantity' ! ...just not much to show at the ultimate stamp of 'quality'...the HOF.

[Blue Hen]

Heehee...that was a lame excuse (by Frank). VT's meltdown in the 2nd half was due to Sean Glennon's passes to the wrong colored jerseys..and UGA's good play.

Ok, I'll admit it. There are some realistic SEC fans around here.

[GatorGrad]

Come on Hen...you must admit that the overall SEC IQ around here was multiplied ever since BuLLdawg stopped posting! But 1-2 posters should never be viewed as a representative of an entire fanbase. I don't judge VaTech on Biffy's posts. Nor do I think all USC / PAC 10 fans are crazy ole homers like sc69er.

But this HOF thing is weak at best. Using # of NFL players overall would be better. It would be a much larger sample size, and it woudl be based on who NFL Scouts think the best players in the world overall regardless of what team of situation they are in.

There are so many facotrs involved in the NFL / HOF. Since you brought up ESmith, the NFL's all time leading rusher and future HOFer, think about it. While Smith was a great RB, would he be headed for the HOF had he been drafted by say the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? From 1990-1996, Smith played on some great Cowboy teams with a great OL and good passing game. They won three Super Bowls. Meanwhile, the Bucs were a pathetic franchise with no OL. Think Smith would be the guy he is today had he been on the Bucs? Of course not.

And this is coming from a Florida Grad who loves ESmith and grew up in Tampa (I am a big Bucs fan.) So I'm not being biased on either account here. OPPORTUNITY plays as much a role as anything in the NFL. All players are good in the NFL. But I am willing to bet that many RB's could have put up similar if not better numbers than Smith playing on that team. I bet there are many other players in similar situations that would not have made the NFL HOF playing in a different situation with a different team and also many other players that WOULD have made the NFL HOF playing in a better situation on a better team.

[Blue Hen]

It was just a trivia question....not really trying to make an anti-SEC point....sort of, maybe... although I don't blame anybody for being skeptical about that, considering my job.

Anyway, I agree - there could be some luck involved in fostering a HOF career...playing for the right team (your Emmett example). I've already admitted to NCT that the collective SEC fan IQ has risen around here. Jeez, can't have any fun anymore :-)

[aufan59]

It was just a trivia question....not really trying to make an anti-SEC point.

Nice contradiction. This is from this very same thread:

I've simply been sent here for 'balance'.....not that one lone SEC myth debunker can truly offset the volume of factless hype offered by the SEC blowhards, but I'm just doin my job :-)

Get help please.

[ktffan]

Boxing matches are by "scored" by a mythical scoring method.
Gymnastics scoring is done via "judging"
Diving is done via "judging"

I guess they are wearing "mythical" gold, silver and bronze medals.

Heck, the President of the United States is "voted" in through the electorial college.

That's why I contend that the national champions are NOT mythical, but they are REAL champions because it's a system that is agreed upon prior to the season by all Division I Football Bowl Subdivision schools.

It the schools agree to it then so do I.

Sure, I'd like to see a better system but this is what we have and it's not mythical.



While Hen can't support most of his psycho nonsense in that regard, using the term "mythical", save you from having to explain the whole mixed up past of 'titles' when you're talking to the casual fan.

[buckeyejim]

While Hen can't support most of his psycho nonsense in that regard, using the term "mythical", save you from having to explain the whole mixed up past of 'titles' when you're talking to the casual fan.

Well, I've always thought that the term "mythical" does not accurately define how college football recognizes the champions from Division I Football Bowl Subdivision. We all know that they are determined in the end by votes, polls, etc., but the word "mythical" seem to make it seem as if it's "make believe"

One MYTHICAL definition:
"lacking factual basis or historical validity"

Obviously, the polls are facts and they do have historical validity. Again, this is my opinion. If someone could come up with a better word than mythical, I'd probably go with it but I'll never accept the word "mythical".