ANOTHER Seattle area police ambush shooting!!!

[Bucs90]

2 more Seattle area cops, ambushed, both shot. Suspect killed. WTF. SOMEONE needs to take control of the State of Washington, this is ridiculous.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091222/ap_on_re_us/us_officer_shooting

[Blue Hen]

Not enough guns up there in Seattle to keep everyone safe. Maybe the gun belt can donate some.

[Jim]

B90, having lived up there I can say that the progressive liberal appeasers are in full control of the Evergreen State. They have a democratic socialist woman governor who stole the election a ferw years back with ACORN assistance, two female senators who are about as concerned for this nation as any liberal socialist bitch could be and a collection of spineless unich males, a.k.a. congress(unichs).

Some on this board will defend the people, the society and the culture. Cowards and appeasers. While we should be concerned over the people, we can't help but have anger at them when you consider they are the ones keep electing these "can't we just all get along" and "I'll hide in my gated community while you have to practice what I preach" leadership. Washington State is your typical socialist, progressive collection of pussies who spend more time denouncing conservatism and traditional values while espousing their own "cultural" superiority whcih means "anything goes" unless it involves assaulting a tree, a four legged animal, a fish or a friggin' seal. They are notorious for primping and posturing while not walking their talk. Plastic people. I think the invasion from California we experienced in the 1980's is largely to blame.

[Hail to the Victors Valiant]

Jim, in all due respect, how does your comment, even if true, address the ambush.

The gun lobby controls the national gun debate as do the the lobbyists in the fields of banking, pharmaceutical and health care as we've seen more than ever before in 2009, aka The Year of The Lobbyist.

[Jim]

Hail, it speaks of the typical behavior societal patterns of the people in the Puget Sound area. Yes, some will be outraged as you'd expect they'd be but more emphasis will continue to be placed on law enforcement to not overreact and to justify any actions they do take. Usually that means you have to get shot or at least shot at first. Look at LAPD and their community nightmare. Its largely a west coast thing that speak of.

I don't know how pharmaceuticals and lobbyists got into this per your response. Gun controls? excuse me Hail but criminals don't adhere to any gun legislation. That should be obvious by definition of a gun crime. The answer the authorities usually trying ot impose in resolving thes ambush situations is to inact even more and more stringent gun laws against law abiding citizens. Criminals never abide by them so not having that 20,001st gun law isn't going to work as the previous 20,000 gun laws clearly haven't. The citizenry has been told over and again by the social engineers that owning a firearm is actually a perversion and shows an inadequacy of sorts. So fewer are able to defend themselves. They are forced to rely on police who have their hands tied behind their backs with socila engineere lawyes just waiting for some scum bag to get "mistreated" or to use his childhood as a reason to rob/rape/murder innoncents folks. I think our new Attorney general would agree that the rank and file American taxpayer shouldn't overreact but embrace the troubled scum bag.

[Spice1]

Of course alcohol was involved(and apparently has been this guy's trigger)...we need to get back to prohibition of alcohol for the good of all society.

[Jim]

Whatever.

[Spice1]

good point.

[Jim]

Spice, I liked your performance in "Back to School". Good choice for a band by the way (Oingo Boingo).

[Spice1]

I plan on doing a triple Lindy into Boston Harbor (near the tea party site) on New Year's Eve :)

[Jim]

Are you still a clothier for the large and fat man? Did you ever stay at, what was that university's name, and get your MBA?

[Spice1]

I retired to an all-nude private carribean club....no clothes at all! I was about to get my MBA but when Kurt Vonnegut died, my chances for a degree went with him.

[Bucs90]

Jim, in all due respect, how does your comment, even if true, address the ambush.

The gun lobby controls the national gun debate as do the the lobbyists in the fields of banking, pharmaceutical and health care as we've seen more than ever before in 2009, aka The Year of The Lobbyist.

I believe this, as with all wild acts of violence we are seeing, are the result of our society's continued and steady devaluing of human life. Now, what causes human life to lose sentimental value? Um.....abortion? No God in schools or public places? Rampant liberal sexuality that materializes a person?

[Spice1]

Human life is not any less valued. I can think of many examples from the past; SLAVERY (beatings until death because you taught somebody to read), CRUSADES (under the direction of the church, where was this "value every life" philosophy then?) GENOCIDE (not just the holocast, still happening in the world today), VIKINGS (killed everything in their path), etc.

Somehow, because some drunk lunatic shot and wounded some police, this is supposed to be an indictment of all of us?

[Bucs90]

Human life is not any less valued. I can think of many examples from the past; SLAVERY (beatings until death because you taught somebody to read), CRUSADES (under the direction of the church, where was this "value every life" philosophy then?) GENOCIDE (not just the holocast, still happening in the world today), VIKINGS (killed everything in their path), etc.

Somehow, because some drunk lunatic shot and wounded some police, this is supposed to be an indictment of all of us?

Combined with the increase in random killings in our culture lately, yeah, we value humanity less than we did 20 or 50 years ago. The value of a human life has become devalued. The abortion issue, vulgar sexuality, violent entertainment, all combined with taking God out of our lives, that leads to man viewing other men as objects, not people.

Funny you mention the crusades and genocide. Those were evil events, which is why they drew such strong spots in history. There are other crusades and genocides occurring. In Iraq under Hussein. In Iran against the Jews. In the extremist Muslim world against the West. Yet....some segments of our society did not want to intervene in those evils, and still don't. Slavery did exist here, and thank God the Republican party ended it. Slavery still exists in the world.......and it may come back to the United States once the government controls every aspect of your life except the air you breathe. Oh, wait, the EPA did lay the groundwork to label the air you exhale as toxic.

[HellYeahHokie]

Somehow, because some drunk lunatic shot and wounded some police, this is supposed to be an indictment of all of us?

Only if you're dumb enough to believe it.

[Bucs90]

Anytime a tragic incident becomes a recurring trend....it says something about the population that it occurs in.

When our population began the genocide against millions of would be babies, it said something about us.

When our population began to pass hate crime laws which labeled some people as extra victimized, and some people as less protected, and some people as deserving extra justice....it said something about us.

When random mass shootings and police ambushes began to rise, particularly in 2009, it is saying something about us.

Any culture that slowly begins to tolerate an activity that was previously not a norm will suffer some sort of unintended consequence.

[Jim]

I retired to an all-nude private carribean club....no clothes at all! I was about to get my MBA but when Kurt Vonnegut died, my chances for a degree went with him.

that you told him off when you got 'dissed with that report. I mean the guy gave you his best effort and it was basically on the money. Otherwise, you probably made a wise decisions as all this world needs is another MBA. Those degrees are supposed to help you be successful. Looks like you were already there all along.

[Jim]

Only if you're dumb enough to believe it.

Interesting. Liberals ask the stupid questions, answer them for the intended respondent and then evaluate that repondent. This is exactly how the pseudo intellectual operates. Ask a liberal what a conservative thinks rather than the conservative. Yes, outcome based conclusions made to order. It is no wonder the young of today are so painfully gullible. The major media (movies, TV, music, hip magazines, a lot of internet crap etc.) operates at a level directly in line with an adolescnet mind. Same wave length.

And don't give me this, "what are you talking about?". You tend to answer with what you probably think is encrypted, clever one liners with your point just slightly veiled. I tend to elaborate (to a fault at times) and speak in our common mother tongue.

Do you think we conservatives think that one man makes a society? Liberals might since they actually think they've got another George Washington or Abraham Lincoln in office right now. Their "white guilt" shedded when they pulled the lever or inked in the small rectangle on the ballot. Note to liberal dolts, the plantation pulled off a major land grab when this "Economic Justice" fraud was elected. More government dependency and more sorrow. The New World Order - The New Slavery. So, by joining the disadvantaged you now become equals - in utter slavery.

B90 is absolutely correct when he speaks of the devaluation of human life. Anybody who can't see this as an obvious, glaring fact is blind. Things have become more base. Relationships are "throw away". Get your rocks off for a time and then dump the person and start "hunting" again. People are increasingly disingenuous and opportunistic. "Me, myself and I" used to be just a cliche used to describe the arrogant, center-of-the-universe types. It is now a given with most young people recognizing it as such and willing to operate with it.

Violence against authority is increasing as B90 says. Much in the entertainment industry depicts authority and structure as oppressive. Whole genres are devoted to anarchy and fighting against the "old ways". One good example from years ago is "Insane Clown Posse" that defacated out all kinds of pure crap attracting an audience. "Rave" dealt with drugs, techno music and sex (if you felt like it) on a large scale. Most places were shut down when discovered so you know it was good an healthy stuff. It remains and grows. Devaluation of human life. Basically, "make me feel good now and f*k tomorrow because the here and now is all there is".

As to the Crusades and Genocide I notice that this is restricted to the west and Christians in particular. I think Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Castro and a whole slew of African communist dictators can make western murderers look like inefficnet amateurs in comparison. Less we forget about the Mongols who killed off approx. 80,000,000 people (1/3 of China as well) in the 13th and 14th centuries. Exterminated Islam for all practical purposes yet its the Christians they hold with extreme hatred. Held Russia in bondange for 4 centuries. And folks, there were a hell of a lot less people on earth in those days. Oh, and that was before the Black Plague that killed off between 40-50% of all Europeans.

So Fate as well as a lot of non-Christians did an awful lot of killing. The Vikings! How about the Normans? How about the Assyrians? Toss in the Israelites and Hittites while your at it.

Almost every culture has been an oppressor as well as enslaved in history. To select a point in time to begin is for convenience.

To say our society isn't disintegrating is being in denial. While technology has grown by leaps and bounds and we have more things to take the place of labor, we've not replaced this new "free" time with anytrhing constructive. We demand entertainment. This leads to slavery as we now are consumers of information at a frantic pace. The social engineers know this and have stepped up to take command. They make it comfortable so the rising temperature in the boiling pot of water isn't that noticeable.

Western Civilization is the best thing that has ever happened to the human species. It is the most beneavolent culture that has ever existed even with its darker episodes. Only in a western culture can people like us sit around and bang out our contempt for that which has allowed us to have forums like this without getting shot by the authorities (yet). The worl's peoples regard our culture as a beacon of hope. Most peoples woudllove to live liek we do but realize theri varying systems will simply not allow it and to buck the system can mean your life. We feed, educate, medicate and provide billions in funds ehn disaster strikes. Who else does that. But is is changing as we're becoming part of the world's struggling masses as well - by design.

[ZOOMBAG]

Interesting. Liberals ask the stupid questions, answer them for the intended respondent and then evaluate that repondent. This is exactly how the pseudo intellectual operates. Ask a liberal what a conservative thinks rather than the conservative. Yes, outcome based conclusions made to order. It is no wonder the young of today are so painfully gullible. The major media (movies, TV, music, hip magazines, a lot of internet crap etc.) operates at a level directly in line with an adolescnet mind. Same wave length.

And don't give me this, "what are you talking about?". You tend to answer with what you probably think is encrypted, clever one liners with your point just slightly veiled. I tend to elaborate (to a fault at times) and speak in our common mother tongue.

Do you think we conservatives think that one man makes a society? Liberals might since they actually think they've got another George Washington or Abraham Lincoln in office right now. Their "white guilt" shedded when they pulled the lever or inked in the small rectangle on the ballot. Note to liberal dolts, the plantation pulled off a major land grab when this "Economic Justice" fraud was elected. More government dependency and more sorrow. The New World Order - The New Slavery. So, by joining the disadvantaged you now become equals - in utter slavery.

B90 is absolutely correct when he speaks of the devaluation of human life. Anybody who can't see this as an obvious, glaring fact is blind. Things have become more base. Relationships are "throw away". Get your rocks off for a time and then dump the person and start "hunting" again. People are increasingly disingenuous and opportunistic. "Me, myself and I" used to be just a cliche used to describe the arrogant, center-of-the-universe types. It is now a given with most young people recognizing it as such and willing to operate with it.

Violence against authority is increasing as B90 says. Much in the entertainment industry depicts authority and structure as oppressive. Whole genres are devoted to anarchy and fighting against the "old ways". One good example from years ago is "Insane Clown Posse" that defacated out all kinds of pure crap attracting an audience. "Rave" dealt with drugs, techno music and sex (if you felt like it) on a large scale. Most places were shut down when discovered so you know it was good an healthy stuff. It remains and grows. Devaluation of human life. Basically, "make me feel good now and f*k tomorrow because the here and now is all there is".

As to the Crusades and Genocide I notice that this is restricted to the west and Christians in particular. I think Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Castro and a whole slew of African communist dictators can make western murderers look like inefficnet amateurs in comparison. Less we forget about the Mongols who killed off approx. 80,000,000 people (1/3 of China as well) in the 13th and 14th centuries. Exterminated Islam for all practical purposes yet its the Christians they hold with extreme hatred. Held Russia in bondange for 4 centuries. And folks, there were a hell of a lot less people on earth in those days. Oh, and that was before the Black Plague that killed off between 40-50% of all Europeans.

So Fate as well as a lot of non-Christians did an awful lot of killing. The Vikings! How about the Normans? How about the Assyrians? Toss in the Israelites and Hittites while your at it.

Almost every culture has been an oppressor as well as enslaved in history. To select a point in time to begin is for convenience.

To say our society isn't disintegrating is being in denial. While technology has grown by leaps and bounds and we have more things to take the place of labor, we've not replaced this new "free" time with anytrhing constructive. We demand entertainment. This leads to slavery as we now are consumers of information at a frantic pace. The social engineers know this and have stepped up to take command. They make it comfortable so the rising temperature in the boiling pot of water isn't that noticeable.

Western Civilization is the best thing that has ever happened to the human species. It is the most beneavolent culture that has ever existed even with its darker episodes. Only in a western culture can people like us sit around and bang out our contempt for that which has allowed us to have forums like this without getting shot by the authorities (yet). The worl's peoples regard our culture as a beacon of hope. Most peoples woudllove to live liek we do but realize theri varying systems will simply not allow it and to buck the system can mean your life. We feed, educate, medicate and provide billions in funds ehn disaster strikes. Who else does that. But is is changing as we're becoming part of the world's struggling masses as well - by design.

I never understood why liberals want us to be like Western Europe? The EU is considerably WORSE economic mess than we are and their medical system is a WRECK and completely bankrupt. The only thing keeping much of the Welfare state alive, especially Scandanavia, is North Sea Oil money. And those fields are drying up and 15 years will be TAPPED OUT. Then the European Social Welfare state will completely COLLAPSE.

Why in HELL would otherwise intelligent people, think THAT is a model to follow??? Why would anyone with a brain larger than a walnut, believe government can be trusted to do anything remotely efficient at all?

[EvilVodka]

2 more Seattle area cops, ambushed, both shot. Suspect killed. WTF. SOMEONE needs to take control of the State of Washington, this is ridiculous.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091222/ap_on_re_us/us_officer_shooting

ya thats phucked up

[Bucs90]

I never understood why liberals want us to be like Western Europe? The EU is considerably WORSE economic mess than we are and their medical system is a WRECK and completely bankrupt. The only thing keeping much of the Welfare state alive, especially Scandanavia, is North Sea Oil money. And those fields are drying up and 15 years will be TAPPED OUT. Then the European Social Welfare state will completely COLLAPSE.

Why in HELL would otherwise intelligent people, think THAT is a model to follow??? Why would anyone with a brain larger than a walnut, believe government can be trusted to do anything remotely efficient at all?

Because Zoom, haven't you seen how "enlightened" Europe is over us? Of course not, you're just a racist angry conservative who listens to Pantera probably. Europeans know war is not the answer. And that we must protect Mother Earth, even if we must sacrifice ourselves to do it. And what about reparations, Zoom. The USA has exploited the rest of the world, and has built up a social debt that Europe is ready for us to repay. You are so small minded Zoom. Didn't you hear the Democrat yesterday who flew in from Coop-in-Hoggin (can't remember his name, it was on Beck) and said "It was like coming from the Jetsons to the Flintstones when I got back to America". Europe is just so much....better, don't you see?????:(

[Jim]

Because Zoom, haven't you seen how "enlightened" Europe is over us? Of course not, you're just a racist angry conservative who listens to Pantera probably. Europeans know war is not the answer. And that we must protect Mother Earth, even if we must sacrifice ourselves to do it. And what about reparations, Zoom. The USA has exploited the rest of the world, and has built up a social debt that Europe is ready for us to repay. You are so small minded Zoom. Didn't you hear the Democrat yesterday who flew in from Coop-in-Hoggin (can't remember his name, it was on Beck) and said "It was like coming from the Jetsons to the Flintstones when I got back to America". Europe is just so much....better, don't you see?????:(

I can see good reasons why Europe isn't into war too much these days. They've spent the better part of the last millenia destroying each other for their kings, queens and the Church. Plus the last century devistated them twice over. But we built half of them back up beginning in 1945 while our former "ally" enslaved the other half for another 50 years.

Not much bad press for good ole "Uncle Joe" Stalin since the progressive socialists began controlling the flow of information and education in the late '60s. You watch PBS or The History Channel and you'd think we're still fighting WWII rather than foreign communism and radical Islam. I qualify communism as "foreign" as the home grown type seems to be exactly what the elite, "let them eat cake" crowd, have ordered.

Many of you have talked about "Mother Earth" replacing the more traditional religions. I agree that it is. Paganism replacing established religions. While our standard religions have their problems and dark side this new religion seems to feel a tree or some obscure mud loving fish in a single small lake in California has more rights than humans. When firefighters have to wait for the government of California to decide if they can dredge a lake in the middle of a forest fire for water, and die while waiting, then we've got a totally f*ked up list of priorities. But, its four less evil bipeds in this world where mud guppies, grasshoppers and rodents need to exact some "Environmental Justice" (to borrow/modify a currently popular Obama descriptor).

And, like you say, teh USA has exploited the world. They neglect to mention taht the world's taken-for-granted technologies have been conceived, engineered and mass produced right here in the land of exploitation. The world directly benefits from our ingenuity and our motivated drive to improve our standard of living and lifespan. The fact that we've done virtually all the brain work, all of the defense of people here and there and played mom and dad to billions is ignored.

Why? Pure envy. The Europeans, who firmly established the idea around the world of the imperialist, racist white man is now laying that track record/guilt trip on Americans who made up of any and all races of humans on this planet. Look around the world. Kings and queens remain. Dicators, tyrants and Caesars abound. And we're the bad guys ??? In my opinion, the world can go f*k itself. Pull out the "welfare tit" stuck from the mouths of the worlds peoples (paid for entirely by the American taxcpayer) and see how quickly they scream for more milk and honey. Let Venezuela, Russia, India and Red China pick up the tab. The chinks might be paying a lot of ours but if we fail they tank overnight as well. So we have each other by the balls so to speak.

If Europe is so damned good then why the hell are they all wanting to immigrate to this country? And why to our non-government run health care? Keep in mind that this democrat you speak of is exempt from what they are attempting to impose on the rest of us. He'll still have a very high caliber PPO.

[Bucs90]

All well said Jim. Truth be told I believe Europe knows it is in trouble. England is on the brink of a radical Islamic nightmare. My brother travels to England 3-4 times per year, and says it's amazing what you see and hear from radicals in the streets of London and Manchester. A time bomb waiting to go off.

France is scared crapless of the US and it's thinned out military b/c it may not have a big brother anymore to save it's butt. The Russian bear is in a panic, and Europe is the weak calf just inside the thinning USA fence line. So why does Europe, then, want to weaken America? Money. If they can impose UN carbon taxes, they can forcefully take our money for their own resources. And a broke America can't buy up oil and resources that they are outbid for by us and China.