ESPN continuing to make a case to shut Texas out

[ZOOMBAG]

Due to their horrendous performance in the Big 13 championship game. Cinci ot TCU, but anyone OTHER than Texas....

I personally thing ANY of the the other three would beat Texas. Alabama will CRUSH the little tea-sips led by the little boy McCoy

[Jim]

I can't believe I'm for an SEC team to beat the Big 12. But it being Texas makes it so damned easy.

I got away from the tube when the game ended and began to put up our Christmas tree (what a pain). Is there really talk of the BCS potentially not being so in love with Texas?

[Blue Hen]

If Bama does win it will be the first in 9 tries vs Texas.

[MasterBevo]

My how things change.... just a week ago, everyone was down on Bama cause they looked so bad againts Auburn...

Texas's defense played a dominating game... and, we found a way to win. That's what good teams do.

Bama will be a new game... and, we'll be ready!

[Hero1957]

My how things change.... just a week ago, everyone was down on Bama cause they looked so bad againts Auburn...

Texas's defense played a dominating game... and, we found a way to win. That's what good teams do.

Bama will be a new game... and, we'll be ready!

I'm hungry

[MasterBevo]

It's gonna be some SPICY chili!

[Hero1957]

It's gonna be some SPICY chili!

;) :D

[MasterBevo]

If this screwy BCS system somehow bypasses Texas for the title game.. I swear, I will leave this board and swear off college football forever.

We were screwed last year... by a ridiculous Big 12 tie-breaker system. Now, our kids have won 13 games... and, the Big 12 title... have been ranked in the right position all year... If they get leaped in the last week after.. WINNING the Big 12 title... well... college football will be DEAD to me.

:cool:

[Hero1957]

If this screwy BCS system somehow bypasses Texas for the title game.. I swear, I will leave this board and swear off college football forever.

We were screwed last year... by a ridiculous Big 12 tie-breaker system. Now, our kids have won 13 games... and, the Big 12 title... have been ranked in the right position all year... If they get leaped in the last week after.. WINNING the Big 12 title... well... college football will be DEAD to me.

:cool:

Please, the BCS wants Boise??? Cincy??? TCU???
The only way is if they had NO OTHER choice. The only way.
Texas and Bama is the kind of matchup they pray for.

Fear not:cool:

[Hero1957]

Please, the BCS wants Boise??? Cincy??? TCU???
The only way is if they had NO OTHER choice. The only way.
Texas and Bama is the kind of matchup they pray for.

Fear not:cool:

Folks around here think there is a conspiracy.
Are they right?

If they are, then the men in black are visiting voters and computer programers as we speak.:eek: :D

[EvilVodka]

If this screwy BCS system somehow bypasses Texas for the title game.. I swear, I will leave this board and swear off college football forever.

We were screwed last year... by a ridiculous Big 12 tie-breaker system. Now, our kids have won 13 games... and, the Big 12 title... have been ranked in the right position all year... If they get leaped in the last week after.. WINNING the Big 12 title... well... college football will be DEAD to me.

:cool:

Yep, and thats the farce of this system...and last year was the worst IMO

You had USC, Boise St., and Utah head into the postseason with a combined 36-1 record, and absolutely no shot at a National Championship...in essence, the entire western US was shut out last year

Utah was the only undefeated team after everything and they didn't have a share of the National Title? And you had Texas and USC sitting their with 1 loss, same record as the Gators and Sooners...

Now this year, here we are again. No one has even mentioned a word about Cincinnati and Tony Pike...TCU and Boise State are both undefeated.

Just retarded...

[MasterBevo]

I do agree.. Cincy and TCU also have terrific teams... and, have every right to be playing for the title... but, they've also known all year, that they were not in the "right position".

What a screwy system...

[Jim]

MB, the way Texas played last night against a team with ZERO offense, your beloved Horns deserved to be passed over. Like the argument just made with USC and Utah disembowling their opponents last year and then being passed over was a travesty then Texas' performance last night was an endictment of their way overhyped season. Texas came in 14 point favorites, the mot of any team yesterday in a championship matchup. They stunk up the place. If it wasn't for Nebraska screwups you'd have bee shut out. Nebraska lost that game, Texas certainly didn't win it. And there is McCOy hoisting that trophy with teh flash bulbs going off in his face. What a line of crap thinking ths guy deserves a Heisman.

[MasterBevo]

Jim... you're just a Texas hater... through and through.

You conveniently forget that at least 9 of Nebraska's 12 points also came from fluky plays..... Texas mistakes.

Nebraska has had a good defense all year... you said so yourself. Yet still, when they HAD to, Texas move the ball enough... to win.

[EvilVodka]

MB, the way Texas played last night against a team with ZERO offense, your beloved Horns deserved to be passed over. Like the argument just made with USC and Utah disembowling their opponents last year and then being passed over was a travesty then Texas' performance last night was an endictment of their way overhyped season. Texas came in 14 point favorites, the mot of any team yesterday in a championship matchup. They stunk up the place. If it wasn't for Nebraska screwups you'd have bee shut out. Nebraska lost that game, Texas certainly didn't win it. And there is McCOy hoisting that trophy with teh flash bulbs going off in his face. What a line of crap thinking ths guy deserves a Heisman.

hey a win is a win

Only in college football do we start dissecting wins and then comparing them with what we think could or should happen

Texas has every bit an argument as the other 4 undefeated teams

NOW, Imagine we actually had a playoff...and if Nebraska wins last night, headlines everywhere would say "Nebraska is back and hungry for a title". And Ohio State, Oregon, and Georgia Tech would be right in there with the undefeateds, and we'd all be drooling to see the first round matchups instead of waiting to see who gets screwed over

[Hero1957]

NOW, Imagine we actually had a playoff...and if Nebraska wins last night, headlines everywhere would say "Nebraska is back and hungry for a title". And Ohio State, Oregon, and Georgia Tech would be right in there with the undefeateds, and we'd all be drooling to see the first round matchups instead of waiting to see who gets screwed over

So right, today would be more exciting than yesterday(if possible).
Every game would be meaningful. Florida would still have
something to play for.

The Sugar Bowl, as a consolation game, makes me sick.

[Bucs90]

BCS-Gate. Hopefully some computer hacker will find emails within the BCS admin and find them saying stuff like "Lets just fake some numbers to guarantee Texas gets in, we need the name brand title game"

[ZOOMBAG]

If this screwy BCS system somehow bypasses Texas for the title game.. I swear, I will leave this board and swear off college football forever.

We were screwed last year... by a ridiculous Big 12 tie-breaker system. Now, our kids have won 13 games... and, the Big 12 title... have been ranked in the right position all year... If they get leaped in the last week after.. WINNING the Big 12 title... well... college football will be DEAD to me.

:cool:

I don't they are going to vote Texas out, but there are reports of enough Harris Poll voters bumping TCU over Texas that it's going to make the BCS for #2 a lot closer than it otherwise. And based on what I've seen of Texas the past several weeks TCU would be at least a TD favorite over them and would Alabama a much better game than Texas will.

And I can't imagine how McCoy is going to be a productive NFL QB. He looked clueless all night long.

[Bucs90]

On a good note, the blackshirts are back at N. Bo Pelini doing a great job there.

[ZOOMBAG]

On a good note, the blackshirts are back at N. Bo Pelini doing a great job there.

They have to find at least a minimally functional offense somewhere. Suh will be gone as will several other NU starters, so I expect the defense to be a bit less dominant next year, meaning the offense needs to step up. Looking forward, I have no idea where the yards and TDs are going to come from. Henry will be kicking a lot of FG's again....

[Jim]

Yep MB, I have little love for Texas. I know too many fans who are blindly arrogant and won't root for OU when they represent the conference in a bowl game. Talk of "Texas haters" - I experience "OU haters" up here as if having to deal with those idiot morons from Stillwater isn't bad enough. Why the hell should I take a knee with hat in hand for those pompous asses from Austin. They're too busy looking down their noses at everybody 24x7x365 (or 366). I hope Alabama humiliates them.

[ZOOMBAG]

On a good note, the blackshirts are back at N. Bo Pelini doing a great job there.

Meanwhile, Air Force is returning almost the entire starting lineup next year. They lost by only THREE to TCU, lost in OT to Utah and Navy. Had Minnesota on the ropes until they shot themselves in the foot with turnovers in the 4th qtr, and only played poorly at BYU. MWC will be a battle between AFA and TCU next year with AFA maybe becoming the next BCS-Buster...

[kocurt]

Meanwhile, Air Force is returning almost the entire starting lineup next year. They lost by only THREE to TCU, lost in OT to Utah and Navy. Had Minnesota on the ropes until they shot themselves in the foot with turnovers in the 4th qtr, and only played poorly at BYU. MWC will be a battle between AFA and TCU next year with AFA maybe becoming the next BCS-Buster...


Now THAT would be COOL!

[Jim]

2010: Texas

at Rice (1-11) man, what a frigin'r rivalry that one is, UCLA (losing record), Wyoming (mediocre MWC) and that juggernaut, Florida's Titanic (FAU).

2010: Oklahoma

Air Force (like Zoom says, an impressive team in 2010), Florida State (Jimbo Fishers high octane offense), at Cincinnati (at least 12-0 in 2009)and Utah State (weak but improving). They also play at Oklahoma State (always hard at Stillwater), Texas A&M (J. Johnson can only get more impressive), Baylor (will have Griffin back) and Missouri (will challenge Huskers for north title).

[EvilVodka]

Florida State (Jimbo Fishers high octane offense)

:confused: really? Jimbo Fisher has a high octane offense? Well maybe he should start using it! lol

[CJHawkeyes]

If this screwy BCS system somehow bypasses Texas for the title game.. I swear, I will leave this board and swear off college football forever.

We were screwed last year... by a ridiculous Big 12 tie-breaker system. Now, our kids have won 13 games... and, the Big 12 title... have been ranked in the right position all year... If they get leaped in the last week after.. WINNING the Big 12 title... well... college football will be DEAD to me.

:cool:

What? You wouldn't accept the opinions of pollsters who watch the games to determine who the two best teams are if they don't favor Texas?

[Jim]

For crying out loud EV, look at that offense. If it had a defense to go with it, they'd have won the ACC. Next year awaits and I'll be proven right. The Seminoles are on the way back up with Fisher at the helm. Getting rid of the "retirement home" defensive coaches is going to pay off big time for FSU.

[Jim]

If this screwy BCS system somehow bypasses Texas for the title game.. I swear, I will leave this board and swear off college football forever.

We were screwed last year... by a ridiculous Big 12 tie-breaker system. Now, our kids have won 13 games... and, the Big 12 title... have been ranked in the right position all year... If they get leaped in the last week after.. WINNING the Big 12 title... well... college football will be DEAD to me.

:cool:

the Big 12 agreed to keep that very practice in place. And I wouldn't crow too much about how Texas got screwed - they beat Ohio State (minus its leading rusher) with about 2 minutes left in the game. Hardly dominant against what most consider the "lame Big Ten" opponent - and not even the conference champion.

So Mac got his wish - a gratuitous second opportunity. Stop bitching about last year. You're cows beat Oklahoma's "B" team, 16-13, and looked like shit in doing it. Count your blessings - especially the one you guys got last night.

[MasterBevo]

the Big 12 agreed to keep that very practice in place. And I wouldn't crow too much about how Texas got screwed - they beat Ohio State (minus its leading rusher) with about 2 minutes left in the game. Hardly dominant against what most consider the "lame Big Ten" opponent - and not even the conference champion.

So Mac got his wish - a gratuitous second opportunity. Stop bitching about last year. You're cows beat Oklahoma's "B" team, 16-13, and looked like shit in doing it. Count your blessings - especially the one you guys got last night.

45-35

Nuff said..

[kocurt]

45-35

Nuff said..

That here is funny! I dont care who you are!

[Jim]

45-35

Nuff said..

OKLAHOMA SOONERS
2008 BIG 12 CHAMPIONS
HEISMAN WINNING QB
PLAYED IN TITLE GAME

TEXAS 2009
NO HEISMAN FOR COLT - BWAAAH! WEE-OOO, WEE-OOO !!!
PATHETIC BIG 12 TITLE SHOWING
WILL BE THE "TOAST" OF TENSIL TOWN 2010

[GatorGrad]

Lots of Texas hate on Jim's end...

[ZOOMBAG]

Lots of Texas hate on Jim's end...

Well, I don't "hate" Texas, most of my college graduated relatives went there. I simply do not believe they are one of the two best teams at the end of the season. They've played a patsy OOC schedule and struggled mightily against any good defensive team.

[GatorGrad]

Well, I don't "hate" Texas, most of my college graduated relatives went there. I simply do not believe they are one of the two best teams at the end of the season. They've played a patsy OOC schedule and struggled mightily against any good defensive team.

That's fine...but how do you know that TCU, Cinci, or BSU are better? Nobody knows.

[ZOOMBAG]

That's fine...but how do you know that TCU, Cinci, or BSU are better? Nobody knows.

I know as well any other poll voter knows who they think is better, and my conclusions are every bit as valid as anyone else's. In my opinion, TCU is the BEST team in college football this year.

[GatorGrad]

I know as well any other poll voter knows who they think is better, and my conclusions are every bit as valid as anyone else's. In my opinion, TCU is the BEST team in college football this year.

Right...that's your opinion but that doesn't make it fact. You state it as if it were fact.

[CJHawkeyes]

Why are we discussing the "best team" nonsense again?

[ZOOMBAG]

Right...that's your opinion but that doesn't make it fact. You state it as if it were fact.

If is FACT for me. They pounded their highest rated conference rivals, went out on the road to BCS conferences and won. Texas did none of that. That makes TCU better, as far as I am concerned that is a FACT, if for no other reason, than I said so and that is all I need.

[GatorGrad]

If is FACT for me. They pounded their highest rated conference rivals, went out on the road to BCS conferences and won. Texas did none of that. That makes TCU better, as far as I am concerned that is a FACT, if for no other reason, than I said so and that is all I need.

OK so it's a fact in Zoomieland...as long as you understand that it doesn't make it a fact in the real world.

[ZOOMBAG]

OK so it's a fact in Zoomieland...as long as you understand that it doesn't make it a fact in the real world.

No it makes it in the REAL world too. A lot of Harris and Coaches voted TCU #2, just not enough to bump them over Texas. So I am not alone.

TCU is BETTER than Texas and that is a FACT.

[Blue Hen]

OK so it's a fact in Zoomieland...as long as you understand that it doesn't make it a fact in the real world.

facts can be proven...right ? Without a playoff how can Zoom prove that TCU is the best team in CF ?

[MasterBevo]

TCU is BETTER than Texas and that is a FACT.

You're a loonie...

[MasterBevo]

What? You wouldn't accept the opinions of pollsters who watch the games to determine who the two best teams are if they don't favor Texas?

Well.. they got it right again.. :D

BTW>> keep in mind, I have NEVER said that I like the system we currently have. Just, that I think it is preferable to trying to pick the final two teams based on your system.

I want.. a playoff. The more teams, the better.... 2 is not enough.

[HellYeahHokie]

facts can be proven...right ? Without a playoff how can Zoom prove that TCU is the best team in CF ?

Well, even a single-elimination playoff won't give you that.

[Bucky]

Due to their horrendous performance in the Big 13 championship game. Cinci ot TCU, but anyone OTHER than Texas....

I personally thing ANY of the the other three would beat Texas. Alabama will CRUSH the little tea-sips led by the little boy McCoy

I just laugh at how irrational football fans can be.

If the Tennessee at Alabama and Texas/OklahomaSt. games had taken place last night instead of what we watched, the same idiots would be shouting about how Texas was going to destroy Alabama.

If anyone tells you that Alabama is going to kill Texas, immediatley disregard anything that follows from their mouth(or keyboard).

[Bucky]

MB, the way Texas played last night against a team with ZERO offense, your beloved Horns deserved to be passed over. Like the argument just made with USC and Utah disembowling their opponents last year and then being passed over was a travesty then Texas' performance last night was an endictment of their way overhyped season. Texas came in 14 point favorites, the mot of any team yesterday in a championship matchup. They stunk up the place. If it wasn't for Nebraska screwups you'd have bee shut out. Nebraska lost that game, Texas certainly didn't win it. And there is McCOy hoisting that trophy with teh flash bulbs going off in his face. What a line of crap thinking ths guy deserves a Heisman.

And if the Alabama squeeking by Tennessee due to a block FG game had taken place last night, people would be saying that Alabama doesn't deserve to be in the title game. Alabama stunk up the place that night at home against a mediocre, 7-5 team.

[Blue Hen]

Excellent point, Bucky. Some of these guys base all their opinions strictly on the last 30 minutes of CF they can remember.

[Blue Hen]

I find it comical too, Bucky.

[Bucky]

I find it comical too, Bucky.

I'm inching closer and closer to wanting a playoff. TCU, Cinci, and BSU all have a legitimate beef this year. But it's hillarious to see people call Texas a fraud based upon last night. Nebraska has a top 3 defense in the country. You should have seen that coming. If you think Alabama will destroy Texas, you are being naive, or have an axe to grind against Texas for whatever reason.

[Blue Hen]

Some of these 'knee jerk' reaction , guaranteed predictions you see around here are so comical I've been collecting 'em for a few years. Classics !

[GatorGrad]

No it makes it in the REAL world too. A lot of Harris and Coaches voted TCU #2, just not enough to bump them over Texas. So I am not alone.

TCU is BETTER than Texas and that is a FACT.

How do you know TCU is "better?" Define "better" and what makes a team "better" than another team. Furthermore, explain why the term "better" is relevant.

[CJHawkeyes]

Well.. they got it right again.. :D

BTW>> keep in mind, I have NEVER said that I like the system we currently have. Just, that I think it is preferable to trying to pick the final two teams based on your system.

I want.. a playoff. The more teams, the better.... 2 is not enough.

Yes, but you prefer it until it "screws" your team.

[Hero1957]

I just laugh at how irrational football fans can be.

If the Tennessee at Alabama and Texas/OklahomaSt. games had taken place last night instead of what we watched, the same idiots would be shouting about how Texas was going to destroy Alabama.

If anyone tells you that Alabama is going to kill Texas, immediatley disregard anything that follows from their mouth(or keyboard).

SO RIGHT

I heard ole Ears TTubberville saying Auburn and Tennessee had exposed how weak Bama was before the Florida game. Now after the Florida game, hard to find a seat on the Bama Band Wagon.

[MasterBevo]

Yes, but you prefer it until it "screws" your team.

It was the Big 12 tie-breaker system that screwed my team.. not, the BCS formula... And, the brainiacs at the Big 12 voted to keep the same stupid system with this kind of logic, "Well... the likelihood of this kind of situation happening again is very low"....

Freaking idiots...

Once again.. your system seems to come up with the same answers as the BCS. So, for picking a 2 team playoff.. I don't see a need to change.

[Doc]

that voters were putting TCU ahead of Texas and that the Frogs could jump the Horns to get into the title game - well I guess that was all in someone's imagination - TCU didn't even finish 3rd in the BCS rankings - Cincinnati did. So I guess there was no basis to the thread from the beginning. I will say I would have loved to see TCU play Cincinnati or Florida as opposed to Boise - what will we really get out of that game. But to say its a FACT that TCU is clearly the best team in the country - that really doesn't hold water to me. I'll say they're among the top 5 teams but thats about all you're going to prove these days.

[GatorGrad]

From SI.com's Stewart Mandel:

The Horned Frogs, which finished fourth in the final standings (a notable accomplishment considering no previous non-BCS team had finished higher than sixth), seem to be the popular choice. They certainly pass the eyeball test. TCU was incredibly dominant down the stretch, winning its last seven games by an average 31.1-point margin.

But the Horned Frogs played just six teams that finished .500 or better (8-5 Clemson, 7-5 SMU, 7-5 Air Force, 10-2 BYU, 9-3 Utah and 6-6 Wyoming). By comparison, Alabama and Texas both played nine. That's why they're facing 13-0 Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl rather than 13-0 Alabama in Pasadena.

[CJHawkeyes]

It was the Big 12 tie-breaker system that screwed my team.. not, the BCS formula... And, the brainiacs at the Big 12 voted to keep the same stupid system with this kind of logic, "Well... the likelihood of this kind of situation happening again is very low"....

Freaking idiots...

Once again.. your system seems to come up with the same answers as the BCS. So, for picking a 2 team playoff.. I don't see a need to change.

The tiebreaker was the BCS formula. That said, your reason for maintaining the status quo seems to have changed again. Before it was because my idea failed to agree with pollsters about the "best teams" even though I explained that was not its purpose. Now it is because it comes up with the same answers, so why bother changing?

[ZOOMBAG]

How do you know TCU is "better?" Define "better" and what makes a team "better" than another team. Furthermore, explain why the term "better" is relevant.

They "feel" better to me. More dominant on the road vs top 20 teams. Stuff like that. Which is every bit as valid a reason the idiot voters in the Harris poll and the SID directors that vote for the coaches use.....

They are better and that is a FACT. Every much as factual as what the BCS spit out for #2....

[Bucs90]

They "feel" better to me. More dominant on the road vs top 20 teams. Stuff like that. Which is every bit as valid a reason the idiot voters in the Harris poll and the SID directors that vote for the coaches use.....

They are better and that is a FACT. Every much as factual as what the BCS spit out for #2....

Thats true. No one can prove TCU is NOT better than Texas. I for one believe TCU has a more well rounded offense, and a defense that is equal to Texas. They don't have a star name like McCoy, but overall, their offense is better balanced IMO. Defensively they are just as talented as Texas. Texas vs TCU neutral site? TCU by 3.

[Bucs90]

But the Horned Frogs played just six teams that finished .500 or better (8-5 Clemson, 7-5 SMU, 7-5 Air Force, 10-2 BYU, 9-3 Utah and 6-6 Wyoming). By comparison, Alabama and Texas both played nine. That's why they're facing 13-0 Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl rather than 13-0 Alabama in Pasadena.[/B]

Nah, they're facing BSU rather than Bama because Texas was #2 in the preseason poll and TCU was not even top 10. Thats why. If TCU had began #2, they'd be playing Bama.

[MasterBevo]

Nah, they're facing BSU rather than Bama because Texas was #2 in the preseason poll and TCU was not even top 10. Thats why. If TCU had began #2, they'd be playing Bama.

Why do you ignore the substance of the argument?

[GatorGrad]

Which is every bit as valid a reason the idiot voters in the Harris poll and the SID directors that vote for the coaches use.....

So if the voters that think Texas is better are idiots, what does that make you for thinking that TCU is better? How are you any different for making such an assumption that cannot be proven?

[ZOOMBAG]

So if the voters that think Texas is better are idiots, what does that make you for thinking that TCU is better? How are you any different for making such an assumption that cannot be proven?

The reasoning I use is the very same reasoning the voters use. You don't have to logically defend anything you vote for. You have the vote, you have your opinion, you have your ballot and if you vote A #1 and B #2 then it is a FACT that on that ballot A is better than B and if you are an AP voter, Coaches voter or Harris voter, that is a REAL WORLD fact as well.

TCU is better than Texas. I don't have to prove anything any more than any voter in a poll does. They just ARE and that's all that matters to me. I don't give a damn what you or anyone else thinks. The ONLY thing that matters is what I think.

[Bucky]

Why do you guys even argue with these clowns? They are self-absorbed attention seekers. They are close minded and could care less about what anyone else has to say.

[GatorGrad]

I don't give a damn what you or anyone else thinks. The ONLY thing that matters is what I think.

Classic.

[GatorGrad]

The reasoning I use is the very same reasoning the voters use. You don't have to logically defend anything you vote for. You have the vote, you have your opinion, you have your ballot and if you vote A #1 and B #2 then it is a FACT that on that ballot A is better than B and if you are an AP voter, Coaches voter or Harris voter, that is a REAL WORLD fact as well.

TCU is better than Texas. I don't have to prove anything any more than any voter in a poll does. They just ARE and that's all that matters to me. I don't give a damn what you or anyone else thinks. The ONLY thing that matters is what I think.

So if you think that the voters are idiots, and you are doing the exact same thing as them, then are you an idiot too?

[Blue Hen]

From SI.com's Stewart Mandel:

The Horned Frogs, which finished fourth in the final standings (a notable accomplishment considering no previous non-BCS team had finished higher than sixth), seem to be the popular choice. They certainly pass the eyeball test. TCU was incredibly dominant down the stretch, winning its last seven games by an average 31.1-point margin.

But the Horned Frogs played just six teams that finished .500 or better (8-5 Clemson, 7-5 SMU, 7-5 Air Force, 10-2 BYU, 9-3 Utah and 6-6 Wyoming). By comparison, Alabama and Texas both played nine. That's why they're facing 13-0 Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl rather than 13-0 Alabama in Pasadena.

..but , as B90 points out, TCU didn't pass the pre-season free 'seeding' test...the test that decides all this stuff.

[MasterBevo]

Why do you guys even argue with these clowns? They are self-absorbed attention seekers. They are close minded and could care less about what anyone else has to say.

:eek: I'm shocked!

[Hail to the Victors Valiant]

Why do you guys even argue with these clowns? They are self-absorbed attention seekers. They are close minded and could care less about what anyone else has to say.

---

Are you still unemployed or underemployed?

[ZOOMBAG]

So if you think that the voters are idiots, and you are doing the exact same thing as them, then are you an idiot too?

Proving my point. TCU is better than Texas because I said so. And that is all that matters to me.

[GatorGrad]

Proving my point. TCU is better than Texas because I said so. And that is all that matters to me.

You have a point?