View Full Version : Doc it's OHSAA time again
Lincoln Tower
11-04-2009, 02:29 PM
As always, I love our High School playoffs.
Division 1 seems like typical D1 from last year. St. Ignatius and Glenville will meet in the second round, and I fully expect the winner to win region 1, and beat the region 2 champ in the semis. Since I haven't seen Elder, Moeller, St. X or Anderson play, I can't predict who will come out of region 4. They'll a tricky game against Coffman in the semis, but I expect it to be region1 vs region 4 in the finals.
My alma mater made it again, for the 3rd time in history. Unfortunately, we play Sanzenbacher's school, Toledo Central Catholic, in round 1. I am not very optimistic.
Region3 will probably feature Mooney versus Steubenville in the state title game. Steubenville won last year in the regional semis, and Mooney in the regional finals 2 years ago. Now, they are in different regions.
Divisions 4,5,6 are predicted as this: Kettering Alter in 4, Coldwater in 5, Delphos St. John's in 6. Youngstown Ursuline might give Coldwater a scare in 5.
Any thoughts?
I didn't think Moeller played very well and lost 13-10. St. X plays ultra conservative on offense and puts it in the hands of their defense. Moeller really never got going on offense. Moeller also gave St. X a cheap FG when they fumbled a punt inside their 10 yard line.
I'd say there will most likely be a rematch in a couple weeks of this game in the regional final. St. X may have to play Elder in the second round but I don't see Elder being able to score much, if at all, against the X defense. Moeller plays 9-1 Middletown and then could face undefeated Anderson in round 2. Anderson played for the D-2 championship last year and won it two years ago.
Winton Woods would appear to have a great shot at going far in D-2, they're only losses were to D-1 teams, Moeller and Anderson, which only lost one game combined. Very athletic team with planty of speed.
Alter and Coldwater are always threats to go all the way.
"14-O" U.
11-06-2009, 07:45 AM
The only Div I team I saw from region 4 was Anderson. Also saw Div II Winton Woods and Turpin.
Anderson has a great offensive line (even after the OSU recruit, Norwell, went down early in the season) and a very talented running back and running qb. Their passing game is not terrible (like what I saw for Winton Woods) but I believe it is untested. In the game against Anderson our defense (team ended up 4-6 for the year) sold out completely to stop the run and left some wide open wide receivers in the process. Resulted in two wide open TDs - qb threw accurately. They threw a 3rd TD that I would say was ill-advise even though it found a way for the TD.
Our defense did pretty much the same against Winton Woods and it worked much better. The WW qb couldn't hit the side of the proverbial barn. But their speed killed us on defense and special teams (and we shot ourselves in the foot repeatedly on special teams, imo because we were so worried about their speed).
I believe Anderson's troubles will be due to defense and being 1-dimensional. Teams that do not need to sell out comletely to stop their run should be able to cover their passing game as well. They will still move the ball with the running game. I think they have a good chance against Lakota West as I believe they are even more 1-dimensional from what I've read. But I don't see them winning against Moeller in round 2 unelss Moeller has some very significant inuries or illnesses.
In DII, Winton Woods should crush Turpin to take Region 8. Turpin schedules OOC like Penn State and their division in the FAVC would be akin to playing in the WAC, MWC, or maybe even the Big 12 North.
which is now Thurgood Marshall. They made the playoffs a couple years ago in D-2 and got crushed by Harrison. This year they are D-4 and apparently would have made it had they not been forced to forfeit 3 games due to an illegal player. This team scored over 50 points a game and rushed for over 550yards per game. I think they had four, 1000 yard rushers but I doubt the competition was very good. Still, it would have been interesting to see them make the playoffs since teams from the Dayton Public Schools league rarely do.
"14-O" U.
11-09-2009, 10:58 AM
What a shocker by Middletown! I read they held Moeller to 1 first down in the 1st half.
Doc, I know you are a Moeller fan, but on the surface from a neutral party it did seem classless that Moeller didn't shake hands after the game. I'm sure there were many examples of low class behavior during the game, but I'm surprised the Moeller coaches and players would skip the handshake at the end. Not sure where the info originated but a guy at work said some Moeller friends of his said Moeller's decision was based on Middletown's fake field goal late in the game when they had a big lead.
Wow. A big loss and Moeller complaining about the other team running up the score. Not sure which surprises me the most.
I was looking forward to Moeller crushing Anderson in week 2 of the playoffs. I'm hoping that Middletown will take care of that now. Unfortunately I think Anderson stacks up much better against Middletown than they would have against Moeller. I saw Middletown vs. Princeton on TV earlier this year. If the Middletown team of the 1st half plays against Anderson, Anderson should move on to the Region final. If Middletown of the 2nd half (or the team that played Moeller) shows up, I believe they can probably beat anyone. Every offensive play and return looked like a potential TD. Almost SEC speed :).
A friend of mine was there texting updates to me and he said Moeller looked horrible - he left when it was 24-3 or something like that. He probably missed the fake FG. As for that, I've seen plenty of occassions where the shoe was on the other foot and Moeller continued to accelerate so turn about is fair play - in fact, Moeller whipped Middletown several years ago by almost the same score the only caveat is Crable was the coach at the time. But I don't care the circumstances - not shaking hands is bush league in my book - you don't want them to score a TD on a fake FG - stop 'em. And keep in mind Middletown is moving on so they have to give the other teams something to think about. Grow up, Moeller, and don't deflect the attention to anything but the fact you got your butts kicked!!!
Lincoln Tower
11-09-2009, 04:19 PM
Count me as shocked as well.
I think we essentially have 2 Division 1 semi finals this weekend. Ignatius vs. Glenville and St. X vs Elder. I'll bet the winners meet for the state title.
Also of note: the PAC went 5-0 with Coldwater, Delphos, Maria Stein, Anna and team #5 (drawing a blank) all winning. That has to be one of the best "small school" conferences in the country.
Lincoln Tower
11-22-2009, 04:57 PM
More shockers in D1.
Coffman lost 22-7. Glenville was a few feet away from blowing a 28-7 lead to Solon. Glenville vs. Massilon will play the winner of Elder and Davidson.
You were right about Winton Woods. In the state final, they'll likely face a stern test from the winner of Maple Heights/Lake Catholic.
Also, it's Mooney vs Steubenville, this time in DIII. They've split the last 2 meetings, but neither went on to win state.
ZOOMBAG
11-22-2009, 06:55 PM
More shockers in D1.
Coffman lost 22-7. Glenville was a few feet away from blowing a 28-7 lead to Solon. Glenville vs. Massilon will play the winner of Elder and Davidson.
You were right about Winton Woods. In the state final, they'll likely face a stern test from the winner of Maple Heights/Lake Catholic.
Also, it's Mooney vs Steubenville, this time in DIII. They've split the last 2 meetings, but neither went on to win state.
Don;t know about any of these teams but any time Parochial schools go down it's always time for celebration. Why? Because like the Ohio St's and Texas' of the College Football world, these high schools essentially BUY their titles!
Here in Iowa, in Class A, Council Bluffs St. Alberts goes 14-0 and wins the state A title.....again.... They have about a $10,000/yr tuition but not a single starter on that team pays a DIME in tuition!!! Council Bluffs public schools are generally an abomination, so they basically pick the best football players from the western half of the state....
Lincoln Tower
11-22-2009, 10:52 PM
Actually, it's kind of the opposite problem in Ohio. A lot of districts have open enrollment, so some city schools are really city all star teams.
The private schools have some advantages too, but it's a pretty even mixture.
Glenville gets a state championship. Elder is a nice team but they didn't blow away Anderson and the Redskins played without their top player, RB Kyle Slater, in the second half. I don't even know if Elder can get by the semi-finals but if they do wind up playing Glenville, they aren't used to playing that kind of speed. Surprisingly, Massillon has never won a state playoff - not sure if this is the team to pull it off.
In D-2, I think Winton Woods will go all the way. I also think Alter and Coldwater will win their divisions. Another Alter/Stuebenville showdown is probably in the wings.
"14-O" U.
11-23-2009, 09:51 AM
Anderson high school isn't so tough without their thug, are they? Maybe the injury will somehow help him turn his life around. Now that he's no good to Anderson and doesn't have anything to look forward to I fear the reverse is more likely. Toughest, hardest hitting local football player I ever saw though. Definitely should be delivering hits on defense IMO (if he can graduate and clean up his act off the field, that is).
Anderson did have an impressive run, especially without their left tackle (Norwell) heading to OSU next year. Going to be a bit rougher next year though. Losing 9/11 on offense and at least 5 on defense. I think Winton Woods will have another year of heavy personnel losses as well, at least on the offensive skill positions.
I thought Elder looked good. They sort of played like OSU vs. Michigan (or Iowa). Got the lead and played very conservatively in the 2nd half, especially on their final possessions. Also got hit hard with several penalties in the 2nd half that took away some plays and helped keep the game close. Their QB looked good to me, especially throwing on the run. I don't think they are a powerhouse team (down year across the whole state from what I've seen), but I think they've got the balance, coaching, etc., to play with anyone.
of Kyle Slater. For Anderson to go from D-2 to D-1 and make the final 8 is pretty impressive, though.
Elder is never going to quit, they aren't going to beat themselves, they carry and wear the 'purple mystique' as honorably as any high school embraces their past and tradition. They are a proud and determined group. Very blue collar in their approach.
"14-O" U.
11-23-2009, 11:15 AM
of Kyle Slater. For Anderson to go from D-2 to D-1 and make the final 8 is pretty impressive, though.
Elder is never going to quit, they aren't going to beat themselves, they carry and wear the 'purple mystique' as honorably as any high school embraces their past and tradition. They are a proud and determined group. Very blue collar in their approach.
Slater's problem is that the authority figures have let him slide by without penalty. Glen Este looked the other way for a while before finally punishing him with a year's suspension from sports - so he transferred to Anderson (great offensive line the last two seasons and recent history of letting transfers suspended from other schools play despite repeated issues off the field). After a few more troubles outside of school (where, per Anderson insiders, he also has a lot of work to do to even graduate), Anderson suspended him for a sports season as well. Slater conveniently went out for the track team and served his suspension. Somehow was suspended for 1st game of this football season - not sure if that was further warning for previous issues or another issue.
So now their season is over and he has exhausted his high school eligibility. Many believe he is the best football player in the region and one of the best in the state. No college offers (from Anderson insiders this is due to eligiblity issues).
I've talked to the kid before. He's capable of completing high school and qualifying for college. It's a shame that he and the authority figures (home & schools) have allowed him to get in the position he is in. While I really do hope he turns his life around, I have a hard time thinking it is very likely - what a shame...
urinated away a tremendous opportunity....
Lincoln Tower
11-23-2009, 03:02 PM
Glenville gets a state championship. Elder is a nice team but they didn't blow away Anderson and the Redskins played without their top player, RB Kyle Slater, in the second half. I don't even know if Elder can get by the semi-finals but if they do wind up playing Glenville, they aren't used to playing that kind of speed. Surprisingly, Massillon has never won a state playoff - not sure if this is the team to pull it off.
In D-2, I think Winton Woods will go all the way. I also think Alter and Coldwater will win their divisions. Another Alter/Stuebenville showdown is probably in the wings.
Alter is DIV, Steubenville moved backed up to 3. No one in DIV will challenge Alter. Steubenville v Mooney at Fawcett should be a dandy.
I will be glad if Glenville finally gets a state title. Ted Ginn Sr. has gotten a lot of kids into college that otherwise would never have had a shot.
to Stuebenville moving up a class. They've had a couple epic battles with Alter. Maybe they'll both win championships this season.
Lincoln Tower
11-30-2009, 07:31 PM
State title games set
DVI - Delphos St. John/s vs Norwalk St. Paul. Norwalk has a fine team, but Delphos is a machine.
DV - Coldwater vs. Youngstown Ursuline. This one should be great. I've had a feeling Coldwater was the best all along, but these are 2 great teams.
DIV - Kettering Alter vs Chagrin Falls. Chagrin has a very nice program, but with Coldwater, Mooney and Steubenville moving out of DIV, noone was going to beat Alter.
DIII - Mooney vs. Columdus Desales. Wow. Mooney destroyed Steubenville again. Desales is always tough, but should be a Mooney win.
DII - Maple Heights vs Winton Woods. Given where Maple Heights was about 7 years ago, this is a tremendous accomplishment. However, Winton Woods likely wins this.
D1 - Glenville vs Hillard Davidson. Old school (Davidson) vs. New school. Hard to believe Glenville won't outspeed Davidson.
edit - Doc, you can add 09 as another Big Ten Championship in your sig....
And I'll be backing Glenville, Winton Woods and Coldwater to win titles. Alter will most likely win, too, but they were always a nemisis school when I was playing so I don't care if they win.
I will update my signature!!!
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