hokiehen HOF thread

[aufan59]

Great college football players are not guaranteed to be in the HOF. This is proven by the statistic that only 8 Heisman winners are in the HOF. Being picked as the best player in college football doesn't guarantee a HOF placement.

Since this statistic proves that a great college football player is not guaranteed to go to the HOF, we can then say that there were great college players that did not make it to the HOF. Since there is a possibility that a great college football player will not make it to the HOF, we cannot judge a college football player's strength only by his HOF status.

Since we cannot judge a single college player by his HOF status, we cannot judge a group of college players by their HOF status. This is exactly what you are doing.

You are just getting into a logical fallacy:

If X makes it more likely that Y happens, but Y hasn't happened yet, it proves that X doesn't exist. Doesn't work like that.

Your argument is much like disproving evolution with peanut butter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504

[HellYeahHokie]

While I find all your other arguments regarding SEC dominance laughably absurd, I don't disagree with you here. I don't think pro football success has any specific relationship to college football success. Of course there is some correlation, but the lack of players on one level does not necessarily devalue the achievements of these players on another layer.

[Blue Hen]

wow...I can see that the SEC's completely anemic production of legendary HOF quality defensive players has really gotten to you.
Now Aufan, just for fun, lets reverse the situation. Lets say that the SEC produced great volumes of legendary defensive players. Would you discard that fact as irrelevant to anything or would you add that fact to your arsenal of patter in your constant attempt to hype the SEC and criticize everybody else ?? Be honest now, if you can.

[aufan59]

wow...I can see that the SEC's completely anemic production of legendary HOF quality defensive players has really gotten to you.
Now Aufan, just for fun, lets reverse the situation. Lets say that the SEC produced great volumes of legendary defensive players. Would you discard that fact as irrelevant to anything or would you add that fact to your arsenal of patter in your constant attempt to hype the SEC and criticize everybody else ?? Be honest now, if you can.

Not once have I brought up the NFL when talking about the SEC, so the answer is no.

Don't you think I would have used the SEC's superior draft numbers in this year's draft if I wanted to use the NFL as a source of proof?

[Blue Hen]

So if the HOF was filled up with ex SEC defensive players, you wouldn't remind us of it (if you were aware of it) when doing your 'toughest SEC defense' claims ? Hard to believe.
Perhaps you wouldn't refer to the NFL draft because you might be aware that in the 06 draft, the SEC finished a dismal 4th best among conferences ( 3.1 draftees per member) or in 05 just 3rd among conferences...or in 04, 2nd. Contrary to SEC mythology, the SEC does not regularly dominate the draft. The 07 NFL draft was the first one the SEC 'won' in the last 4 years. If you are going to pull up Draft #s be sure to calculate 'per capita' because conferences are not the same size.

[aufan59]

You will keep harassing me with the same idiotic hypothetical question until you get an answer you like.

Lets say that I would, it still doesn't make a difference. NFL HOF players don't prove anything as NFL and College careers are different.

[Blue Hen]

I wonder what other posters would guess. HYH ? anyone ?

If Canton was chock full of ex SEC defensive players,(just the opposite of reality) and aufan59 was aware of it, would he likely or likely not reference that fact in his boasting of the SEC's superior defensive play( that he perceives ) ? That is the question :-)