Interesting comments ...

[Jim]

If you disagree with this you can always call the guy ...

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America . Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.. This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ' 60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude???

Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks. Let him go to Altoona ? And Johnstown , and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids.? Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America ? Is it really white America 's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.
We are a Christian Nation even if Mr. Obama says we are not.
This needs to be passed around because, this is a message everyone needs to hear!!!

Sheriff Tom Wall

177 Academy Street
Charlotte, TN 37036
Work 615-789-4130
Fax 615-789-4185
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[BossTalker]

You post this to let others know how interesting or that you agree? Do tell...

[Jim]

You post this to let others know how interesting or that you agree? Do tell...

It is intersting that this person would make his feelings public and provide a means for those who disagree to contact him. So, you tell me what you think? Answer your own question since any answer I provide you will be measured against what you've already concluded. Be honest Boss.

[Spice1]

[ Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America ? Is it really white America 's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?[/FONT]

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

The answer to this is "Yes". The failed "war on drugs" has incarcerated a very large percentages of blacks, even though the people buying and consuming drugs are OVERWHELMINGLY white. Simple math tells you that ghetto neighborhoods are not multi-billion dollar markets.

The effect is that 70 percent of the households do not have a father figure. Since many of us agree that people need to use what they can to suceed, why would the high school dropout be questioned when he can easily make thousands per day and buy the sweet rides and "bling" that come from it. If everybody that you know is getting rich, how hard must it be for a 14 year old kid to have the foresight to stay in school? To say that the black community has no responsibilty in this would be foolish but it is an incredibly difficult starting position when you have to go against the almighty dollar. Pure Capitalists should be proud of what a few have been able to accomplish in terms of wealth accumulation and business organization (all without that free ride to Havard Business School)

[HellYeahHokie]

As a white person, here's what I think.

White people have nothing to complain about.

We've come along way in America, and I think there certainly some legitimacy to the argument that some of the Affirmative Action programs that were necessary 30-40 years ago, are not needed anymore. We're getting closer to the place where race shouldn't be considered at all in hiring. However, we got to this place because of all these programs that seem to so upset the good sheriff.

But that doesn't mean that all is well. And it's still better to be white in America than black in America. As Chris Rock once said: "There's not a white person in America that would trade places with me. And I'm rich!"

So white guys like Sheriff Wall should quit whining about high-profile but rare cases like the Duke lacrosse incident and Tawany Brawley (that was 22 f'ing years ago!!!) when there are plenty of low-profile common cases where blacks are still victimized by whites. He should also try to understand some basic statistics before he uses them.

The generation of blacks that lived (and suffered) through the 50s and 60s is getting older. The newer generation of blacks who have lived in a world where they have more opportunity will replace them in industry, politics, etc. They will have a different perspective, particularly since we have a black president. Things will change and become less race-based. But you aren't going to get anywhere whining about how tough white people have it. Too many black Americans are still around to remind us our 'injustices' don't even compare.

[Jim]

Are you saying that the white community is responsible for the black community continuinuing to be in the condition it is in? Fatherless, children out of wedlock. These two items clearly place them in a deep hardship to be sure. But if you can't support children then don't have them until you can. If you don't want to live a life of desperation take note of how the same actions have affected previous generations, or just by looking around. You can't blame one race or culture for embracing your own especially if it is clearly a destructive choice you're making.

As to drugs. More money exists among whites - no argument. Education is a means out of the pits. The schools are there. All the youth have to do is bring their eager-to-learn minds to calss. Seems like a simple, pass-the-buck, pie-in-the-sky solution I know. But unless you bootstrap yourself (regardless of race, ethnicity or culture) then don't expect someone else to do it for you. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Want to survive then drink.

The problem with the inner city lies largely in the mirror (smashed or not).

[BossTalker]

Well it just makes me wonder what his highest level of education is. Assuming that we agree that history that's taught in grade school isn't fiction.

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Save for the last sentence, this paragraph makes me wonder if the history that I learned is fiction. Do you agree that America has been the best country on earth for black folks? I'm now wondering if what happened to Emmett Till, Medger Evers & MLK is fiction. How about those four little black girls that were bombed in 16th Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama? Learning of how those girls were bombed...it gave me a lump in my throat back in the 5th grade. Have you heard of Bull O'Connor? Are the stories of how he commanded that blacks be sprayed with high powered fire hoses and all else that I learned...are they fiction? What are Jim Crow laws? Did they exist?

His thoughts are very interesting... Do you agree with them, Jim?

I can only handle one interesting paraghraph at a time since I'm at work...

[Spice1]

Jim-

Yes, I am saying that white lawmakers (and the minorities that also support war on drugs) are a large factor in what has happened, and continues to happen in the inner-cities. You talk about bootstraps, are you ignoring the wealth that the high school drop out drug dealers have produced? "If you don't want to live a life of desperation take note of how the same actions have affected previous generations, or just by looking around." These are the role models that they see, along with successful athletes. Even in the white community, academic success ranks far behind glitz and glamour.

"The schools are there"...have you ever been to an inner city school? It is mayhem and abslolutely a different environment than the school system that I (and probably most of us) was lucky enough to attend as a child. Surviving is the key, not learning.

Bottom line is that when such a large percentage of your community is incarcerated or killed because of drug laws and turf wars, and that policy has been largely created by (and continued by) the white community, then yes the white community bears a large responsibilty for the situation.

[Jim]

Well it just makes me wonder what his highest level of education is. Assuming that we agree that history that's taught in grade school isn't fiction.

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Save for the last sentence, this paragraph makes me wonder if the history that I learned is fiction. Do you agree that America has been the best country on earth for black folks? I'm now wondering if what happened to Emmett Till, Medger Evers & MLK is fiction. How about those four little black girls that were bombed in 16th Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama? Learning of how those girls were bombed...it gave me a lump in my throat back in the 5th grade. Have you heard of Bull O'Connor? Are the stories of how he commanded that blacks be sprayed with high powered fire hoses and all else that I learned...are they fiction? What are Jim Crow laws? Did they exist?

His thoughts are very interesting... Do you agree with them, Jim?

I can only handle one interesting paraghraph at a time since I'm at work...

Clearly Boss, the history you learned (as it was occurring when I was in elementary through HS, occurred. You bring up these specific points as if this was a common practice among all whites onto blacks.

I agree with you these incidents were appauling. And Boss, I recall, in OKC as a youth, the lines of blacks outside of a restaurant with white masks.

I'm not denying the events you refer to happened or that they we're overblown. But they aer no excuse for allowing the surge we see today. Two wrongs do not make a right.

I posted that sherriff's comments since most of what he is talking about pertains to how badly things have become for our ENTIRE society and how past incidences of misjustice are being accommodated for especially by the media. Ignoring crime and injustice isn't a good thing regardless of who is committing it. Seems to have been shifted in contemporary times. You disagree?

[aufan59]

My biggest hope for Obama is what he can do for the black community. Giving people hand outs, regardless of race, makes them less apt to try to earn their way. The black communities are stuck in ruts, which makes it very difficult for the next generation to accomplish what they could.

You are a function of your environment. It is really just that simple.

[Jim]

Jim-

Yes, I am saying that white lawmakers (and the minorities that also support war on drugs) are a large factor in what has happened, and continues to happen in the inner-cities. You talk about bootstraps, are you ignoring the wealth that the high school drop out drug dealers have produced? "If you don't want to live a life of desperation take note of how the same actions have affected previous generations, or just by looking around." These are the role models that they see, along with successful athletes. Even in the white community, academic success ranks far behind glitz and glamour.

"The schools are there"...have you ever been to an inner city school? It is mayhem and abslolutely a different environment than the school system that I (and probably most of us) was lucky enough to attend as a child. Surviving is the key, not learning.

Bottom line is that when such a large percentage of your community is incarcerated or killed because of drug laws and turf wars, and that policy has been largely created by (and continued by) the white community, then yes the white community bears a large responsibilty for the situation.

Then, you'll agree that ife is a matter of choices? Be they poor or aspiring. And "no" I haven't been to an inncer city school but have known a couple of brave teachers that took chances by teaching in them. Teachers can't do much to instill discipline and order even in white dominated schools much less inner city schools. Often, teachers or bright students are targeted from elements in the student body.

So, guards checking for handguns and other implements that can be used as such. Inner city folks seems to rely on the government to solve their problems. I can see the desperation. On the one hand they (authorities) are trying to assist in their usual beaurocratic way but that same beaurocracy will be sued if they actually try to get things done with some much needed "tough love" as it were. Be it in schools or on the street. So who can actually do it. Outsiders with a legion of lawyers waiting for somebody's rights to be "violated" or by individual members cleaning it up. Gangs. What is one to do. They often have more firepower than the police and if the cops step in they are routinely jumped on (legally and physically) by not only those committing the crimes but the victims as well.

How about voucher school programs being shut down by the NEA and this administration in the inner city. An example in Washington DC was highlighted on, oh my god, Fox News. This brilliant student will now have to finish her senior year in a combat zone HS. Thanks NEA for putting their unionized foot down on personal choice. Screw the people. The Feds and their hounds in DC is famous for it.

You're correct about the "glitz and glamour" in the white community. Call it media, lack of parental control and, of course, the schools. MTV, JackAss, movies glamorizing sex, crime and violence specifically directed at teenagers. Further accommodation BETWEEN the educational authority and students vs. the student's parents who are paying their salaries. Government and media continually place a wedge between parenting and children except when liability becomes an issue. Then mom and dad have to poney up.

It is my understanding that black schools and families, prior to the Great Society (a.k.a. the New National Welfare System where Uncle Sam replaced dad) were actually more cohesive. Our school system went to hell during court ordered desegregation. Rather than uplifting minorities it just eroded everything.

So, all of the killing and fatherless families in the inner city is the fault of the white people? With whites actually leaving the cities and moving to the 'burbs, the situation in the inner city has gotten worse? So, were white supposed to stick around and have violence petpetrated on them rather than vacate a dangerous situation? Whites are at fault? Or is it more correctly a government that wishes to just pay taxpayer monies to avoid/ignore the problem? Pay off those from those communities cashing in and keeping the cash flowing. Buying votes. Still, if you want to improve your lot in life it is up to you to do it. If you depend on whites then who is it that thinks they're "less". No getting around that Spice.

[HellYeahHokie]

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[FONT=Arial]Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ' 60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream

Here's another reason why guys like Sheriff Wall should shut the hell up about things he doesn't understand completely. A very brief analysis of statistics of many of these programs reveals the following:

There are more white people on welfare than blacks. There are more whites on food stamps then blacks. More whites are in Section 8 housing than blacks. More whites receive Pell grants than blacks (This one isn't even close 61%-11%). More whites receive Medicaid than blacks. etc, etc, etc. (I didn't research all the programs he listed, because what's the point?)

Now, I'm well aware that these statistics are based on overall numbers, not percentages. But if that's good enough for crime statistics for Sheriff Wall, then it should be good enough for social assistance statistics as well.

These government programs are for poor people, Sheriff Wall. If you want to complain about handouts for the poor, you have that right. Lots of conservative people think these programs hurt the poor, rather than help them. Just make sure you voice your disdain to President Obama for all the white people who are taking advantage of these government programs too.

[BossTalker]

This is first and last time I'll post on this president. Obama is an arrogant puppet. The way he sold out Jermiah Wright was disgusting. He defended this punk ass Gates without knowing all the facts...now look at him. All of those coon boy blacks that were crying with tears of joy are lost if they think Obama's their savior. He pimped all of the whites into thinking that he's color blind...and they fell for it. How can a man listen to Jermiah Wright all of those years and not have hatred for whites? I'm from Bush country. Mr. Farrakhan is who all blacks should listen to. He's a promoter of black empowerment and black power. Blacks today have lost that family mentality. Little girls are having babies at the age of 13 and the thought of marriage is non-existent. Bill Cosby is also the man! Blacks were upset at what he said but they listened.

You ask about what's going on today? All of today's problems amongst the black community stems from CRACK COCAINE! Who introduced this shit to the ghetto's back in the late 80's? Cocaine has been around for ages and you mean to tell me in 1989, some black man decided to add 1 parts baking soda to 3 parts of cocaine and cook it?? How about the crack vs. powdered form of cocaine? It's well known that powdered was the preferred choice among whites and crack was preferred among blacks. Both are cocaine...right? Not in the eyes of the law because one would get you rehab and the other would net you 30 to life. Many of guys have just recently gotten their times cut due to the new cocaine law that was retroactive.

The tide is turning. You got this colored boy in office, although an arrogant puppet, blacks are feeling good. Morehouse's graduation last year set a record for the number of black men graduating. Hidden walls and barriers are continuing to be broken down. Racism has ben replaced with "Placism"...and like Bill Cosby said, now is the time...

[Spice1]

Jim-
I didn't say that the black community is without fault, but clearly the drug policies and the multi-billion dollar drug market have torn apart the foundation of a community. As we have agreed, it isn't the ghetto that is supporting this market. Whites might not have stuck around for the violence but they sure as sh#t have come back to visit and buy the goods. And as Boss added they also found a way to make a "fast food" version of the product so they could expand it in the neighborhood.

As for education, the teacher's union sickens me in their refusal to allow "combat pay" for difficult schools. If the best teachers had an incentive to help in these terrible schools maybe the results would be better. If a child could aspire to be a high paid teacher in his neighborhood instead of a drug dealer, then maybe it would give impressionable children a solid role model. You make points as if these kids are starting off at the same level and the inner city kids are somehow leeching off the system. The fact of the matter is that it is much harder to better yourself if the opportunity does not exist or exists only in extrordinary circumstances.

[Jim]

HYH, clearly you take exception with Mr. Wall. I suggest you contact him since he did provide contact information. Additionally, even though there are far more whites than blacks I am still curious as any comments you may offer up on the (overall) 15:1 black-on-white crime ratio. You made a point of referring to "overall numbers" with your stats. Well I believe the "incidences" he refers to (not his stats by the way) due point to a 15:1 ratio. Alarming don't you think?

Also, in time things will tend to balance out I agree. But will it be more reflective of the educational balance we now suffer within our high schools? Who is winning there except for the wealthy who have bypassed public education - they always have. Far more social engineering is being taught to Americans in higher education than hard core mathematics and science like you, Aufan59 and I studied.

One final point you made that I do agree with as it is obvious - these programs are for "poor" people. He needs to make sure his commentary is made on better research.

Boss, I am frankly surprised that you have such high regard for Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan. I do agree with you that Obama is basically a hood ornament. I think Emanuel is actually driving the car and making most of the decisions as to direction while Soros is pumping the petrol. George gets off on just f*king everything up. The media and naysayers referred to Dr. Rice and Justice Thomas as a house negro and an Uncle Tom. Rice's origins are quite humble as are Thomas's. I think those two individuals are actually shining examples of what is available to those who have a can-do attitude. Their successful achievement should be held in high esteem to both black and white youth. Yes their success isn't a guarantee but nothing really is.

You stated, "Mr. Farrakhan is who all blacks should listen to. He's a promoter of black empowerment and black power". The same guy who labels Judaism as a "gutter religion" and refers to "all whites" as Blue Eyed Devils"? That calypso dancer? Wright and Farrakhan, Sharpton and Jackson are the exact opposite of a positive identity. They are pariahs and the worst examples of black leadership to listen to. They foster anger. Anger at others as they trash all others while regarding themselves as some how "divine", "pure" and holier than thou. What a line of shit. These flim-flam men cash in and are into personal power trips. With your support of them I wonder why you're asking me if I support Mr. Wall? I find some of the information intriguing but I am certainly no disciple of his or his ilk. Can you say the same?

I can see your reasoning with the cocaine issue. Thing is the producers of both the powder and crack are into turf wars where violence and killing is common. I agree about users getting away with more than they should. I am for treating producer, pusher and consumer equally when it comes to the legal consequences. I've also been one of those "black helicopter" types when it comes to who (or what) benefits financially (on the large scale). Confiscations are made but we lose sight of what happens to it or the cash that is acquired by authorities afterwards (black ops ? - no pun intended).

Aufan59, as always you can say a lot in few words - unlike me who can't get anything out quickly. It is a matter of recognizing your situation and then doing something about it even against huge odds. Others will say what I suggest is a pipe-dream. Well, its a matter of choices. Like I mentioned above, Rice and Thomas are two excellent examples for minority youth to look up to. Each could have easily been another victim even though very capable persons. Same applies to whites. You have a brain - use it.

Spice, we agree more often than not. We agree entirely with the consumers role in this phenomenon. Where there is a demand ... a supply can't be far away. Give the consumer what they want. It is a lot of money and the lure is more than most can turn their backs on. I agree with all of you on this.

The culture snuffs out many opportunities that could arise if given room to do so. Music, television and movies glorify it. Candy for hungry minds looking for a fat wallet. It is sickening. So whitey is largely involved and promotes and enables an avenue for its glorification. Another way to keep people in their place. And black owner firms as well as white ones and promoters, producers like it just fine.

[HellYeahHokie]

HYH, clearly you take exception with Mr. Wall. I suggest you contact him since he did provide contact information. Additionally, even though there are far more whites than blacks I am still curious as any comments you may offer up on the (overall) 15:1 black-on-white crime ratio. You made a point of referring to "overall numbers" with your stats. Well I believe the "incidences" he refers to (not his stats by the way) due point to a 15:1 ratio. Alarming don't you think?

One final point you made that I do agree with as it is obvious - these programs are for "poor" people. He needs to make sure his commentary is made on better research.

I'm hardly going to contact him. Folks like that don't want to be bothered with the truth. Opinions are facts for him.

As for the 15:1 ratio, I don't know which crimes are used for that ratio, but I can presume it doesn't include white collar crimes like those committed by guys like Bernie Madoff, whose # of victims dwarf those of a street gangster.

So I'm going to presume these crimes are 'violent' crimes and/or 'theft, burglary, etc.

Do I find it alarming? Not really. Certainly there is going to be a higher ratio of black on white crime, because in general these crimes are committed due to economic circumstances. Poor people commit crimes against wealthier people. There is a higher percentage of poor blacks than poor whites. That's not an excuse, but a fact.

I would like to see that same ratio to compare the black/white ratio with poor white/white ratio. I suspect there would be limited statistical difference between the two ratios. Just watch any episode of "COPS". The folks those cops arrest have one thing in common, and it's not their skin color. They are generally poor white trash, or poor black trash.

This is why those evil bleeding heart liberals want government programs, like Pell grants, Section 8 housing, welfare. The purpose is to improve the economic situation for poor people, black or white.

Whether these programs help or hinder the poor is a topic for academic debate, but the issue is predominantly economic, not ethnic. Sadly, this is not true for people like Sheriff Wall, who unfortunately is in law enforcement, where his obvious bias very likely affects how he performs his duties.

[HellYeahHokie]

The media and naysayers referred to Dr. Rice and Justice Thomas as a house negro and an Uncle Tom.

Name one legitimate media source that referred to Rice or Thomas as house negroes.

[Jim]

Name one legitimate media source that referred to Rice or Thomas as house negroes.

Radio station of of Miami, Florida and Dr. Rice comments. I think it was mentioned on Fox News - of course. They actually had quotes and recordings from the radio station. Again, the Miami station may have started it but it was reiterated by others. Also Judge Thomas by some leading black activists and reiterated via the news but this was back in the earlier 90's and I can't actually recall. Perhaps you can? Most of the negative comments directed his way were as a result of the sexual charges made against him. Along with those charges many naysayers were adding their own evaluations of why he was a conservative adn Uncle Tom surfaced. That was hot with the liberal news back then. I lived in Seattle when all of this was happening. Haven't lived there in years now.

[Jim]

I'm hardly going to contact him. Folks like that don't want to be bothered with the truth. Opinions are facts for him.

As for the 15:1 ratio, I don't know which crimes are used for that ratio, but I can presume it doesn't include white collar crimes like those committed by guys like Bernie Madoff, whose # of victims dwarf those of a street gangster.

So I'm going to presume these crimes are 'violent' crimes and/or 'theft, burglary, etc.

Do I find it alarming? Not really. Certainly there is going to be a higher ratio of black on white crime, because in general these crimes are committed due to economic circumstances. Poor people commit crimes against wealthier people. There is a higher percentage of poor blacks than poor whites. That's not an excuse, but a fact.

I would like to see that same ratio to compare the black/white ratio with poor white/white ratio. I suspect there would be limited statistical difference between the two ratios. Just watch any episode of "COPS". The folks those cops arrest have one thing in common, and it's not their skin color. They are generally poor white trash, or poor black trash.

This is why those evil bleeding heart liberals want government programs, like Pell grants, Section 8 housing, welfare. The purpose is to improve the economic situation for poor people, black or white.

Whether these programs help or hinder the poor is a topic for academic debate, but the issue is predominantly economic, not ethnic. Sadly, this is not true for people like Sheriff Wall, who unfortunately is in law enforcement, where his obvious bias very likely affects how he performs his duties.

I think the topic was violent crime involving physical actions by one or more on another. White collar crime is overwhelmingly conducted by caucasians and most often on other caucasians. Madoff is clearly an example of this. As to black-on-white violent crime I think it understandable why whites might be leary of groups of blacks when their paths cross. Not long ago I posted on a white family with friends assaulted in their own neighborhood and even their own front yard buy a very large groups of blacks who didn't live there. Can't recall the location. Its probably in news archives somehwere. Quite recent.

What of his other statistics? I agree that black-on-black and white-on-white is probably close.

Not so sure about "ethnicity" not being a catalyst when actually executing the crimes.

[BossTalker]

Boss, I am frankly surprised that you have such high regard for Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan. I do agree with you that Obama is basically a hood ornament.



Not high on Wright but I did happen to listen to his entire speech. The speech that was played over and over by Hannity, Limbaugh and The No Spin Zone. I wasn't influenced by the media and what they wanted me to feel. Basically what I received from Wright's sermon is an angry, old black man who has gone through and witnessed what transpired back in the 60's. What did he say that was so wrong? GD America? Did you listen to his entire speech or only decided to take in what the media wanted you to hear which was GD America.

Mr. Farrakahn on the other hand is a changed man. He has apologized for his past statements. Apology accepted by me! I'm all for black power, love and unity. I'm all for him chastising black men and what they've become. Is he saying anything different about black me than what whites have been saying? As I mentioned, Morehouse graduation rates for black men hit record numbers recently. I don't know the statistics elsewhere but I would have to assume that the numbers have risen all over. I challange you to step outside of the box and listen to an entire speech by Farrakahn along with the entire "GD America" speech by Wright.

[HellYeahHokie]

Radio station of of Miami, Florida and Dr. Rice comments. I think it was mentioned on Fox News - of course. They actually had quotes and recordings from the radio station. Again, the Miami station may have started it but it was reiterated by others. Also Judge Thomas by some leading black activists and reiterated via the news but this was back in the earlier 90's and I can't actually recall. Perhaps you can? Most of the negative comments directed his way were as a result of the sexual charges made against him. Along with those charges many naysayers were adding their own evaluations of why he was a conservative adn Uncle Tom surfaced. That was hot with the liberal news back then. I lived in Seattle when all of this was happening. Haven't lived there in years now.

I'm not saying some activists didn't call them Uncle Toms. I remember this. But that's a far cry from saying the media was calling them Uncle Toms, isn't it? Because some idiot spouts ridiculous logorrhea, doesn't mean the media is saying it. Ann Coulter says all sorts of stupid stuff on TV, but that doesn't make her part of the legitimate media. She's a circus clown that gets coverage by the media, but that doesn't make her a reporter in the media.

When you cry about the liberal media, I think you need to distinguish between what's real media, and what's just a blowhard's vitriolic rant.

[HellYeahHokie]

I think the topic was violent crime involving physical actions by one or more on another. White collar crime is overwhelmingly conducted by caucasians and most often on other caucasians. Madoff is clearly an example of this. As to black-on-white violent crime I think it understandable why whites might be leary of groups of blacks when their paths cross. Not long ago I posted on a white family with friends assaulted in their own neighborhood and even their own front yard buy a very large groups of blacks who didn't live there. Can't recall the location. Its probably in news archives somehwere. Quite recent.

What of his other statistics? I agree that black-on-black and white-on-white is probably close.

Not so sure about "ethnicity" not being a catalyst when actually executing the crimes.

I think you misread what I was saying. I wasn't talking about black-on-black vs white-on-white. I was talking about the ratio of poor black-on-white compared to the ratio of poor white-on-white crime. I suspect these ratios are quite comparable, because these crimes are based on economic status, not race.

Sure, there are cases where a gang of black kids can beat up white people (it was in Ohio). Yes, these are racially motivated. But since you understand why white people can be anxious about seeing a group of black kids who look like trouble, then certainly you can empathize with the very same feelings that black people have when they see a group of white kids who look like trouble. Because certainly there are racially-motivated white-on-black crimes too.

But by-and-large, these crimes are the exceptions. They get a lot of media attention, but most crimes aren't committed for ethnic reasons, but for economic ones. So the use of the 15:1 black-on-white statistic, when not put in context with the ratio of crimes by poor whites-on-whites, is only a statistic used to stir racial fear. (as it clearly does with you and the Sheriff) But it's not cited to address the real issue of why the crimes are occurring, or how we should reduce them.

[HellYeahHokie]

I've noticed that Sharpton seems to have turned a corner too. (I haven't seen or heard Farrakahn in a long time). But I can't remember the last time I've heard Sharpton make an outrageous statement that he was under fire for.

[aufan59]

Then, you'll agree that life is a matter of choices?

I'll stop you here. There is no such thing as choice. Human behavior is a function of your brain's physical makeup and the environment surrounding you. Since the genetic drift between races is insignificant, environment makes up most of the performance differences between the races.

It is impossible to expect improvements from blacks in general until the environment they are raised improves.

It is a cycle that doesn't 'fix itself'. My only optimism left for Obama is to ultimately change the cycle.

[Jim]

... I had a heart attack/stint on Thursday morning and just got back home about 40 minutes ago. May offer up some responses later.

[aufan59]

... I had a heart attack/stint on Thursday morning and just got back home about 40 minutes ago. May offer up some responses later.

Resilient one.

Have you had one before?

[EvilVodka]

... I had a heart attack/stint on Thursday morning and just got back home about 40 minutes ago. May offer up some responses later.

shit man, you ok?

maybe you should lay off the political debate for awhile...

[Spice1]

... I had a heart attack/stint on Thursday morning and just got back home about 40 minutes ago. May offer up some responses later.

Yikes! I hope you are doing well. I hope you get the bill paid before the Blue Dogs cave in.

[Jim]

Yes, I've had heart attacks and stints before. Went in for cancer Feb 2008 and my heart went belly-up during that surgery then so had a pacemaker (only acts on demand) put in and then went back in March for the cancer. Ever had a catheder for 24 straight days? I don't know where to begin in cursing that f'ing thing.

My history of medical situations looks like Lou Holtz's resume as far as been here and there and even that place and did this, that and the other.

Hell, yesterday evening before the surgery I got an hour of Glen Beck on Fox News and talked with the surgeon about 90 minutes before. We agree about this insantity coming before us. So I got my heart pumping good and strong for him. They placed me on some kind of sedative before because I was geting really tired on lying on my back all friggin' day waiting. Had good nights sleep with some bizarre dreams.

But here I am. Have a 90 minute wait before Cavuto comes on and then I get a dose from our modern day Paul Revere in Glenn Beck. I am truly a sick, twisted freak !!!

[Hero1957]

Yes, I've had heart attacks and stints before. Went in for cancer Feb 2008 and my heart went belly-up during that surgery then so had a pacemaker (only acts on demand) put in and then went back in March for the cancer. Ever had a catheder for 24 straight days? I don't know where to begin in cursing that f'ing thing.

My history of medical situations looks like Lou Holtz's resume as far as been here and there and even that place and did this, that and the other.

Hell, yesterday evening before the surgery I got an hour of Glen Beck on Fox News and talked with the surgeon about 90 minutes before. We agree about this insantity coming before us. So I got my heart pumping good and strong for him. They placed me on some kind of sedative before because I was geting really tired on lying on my back all friggin' day waiting. Had good nights sleep with some bizarre dreams.

But here I am. Have a 90 minute wait before Cavuto comes on and then I get a dose from our modern day Paul Revere in Glenn Beck. I am truly a sick, twisted freak !!!

Keep the conservative faith and stay strong, you old rascal.
Prayers are being offered.

[MasterBevo]

My history of medical situations looks like Lou Holtz's resume as far as been here and there and even that place and did this, that and the other.


I'll break my vow of silence and hunger strike to say.... Hope you're feeling better Jim..

And, I hope all your doctors are Conservatives! ;)