The Big East has strongest NFL Draft !!!!

[Blue Hen]

...best senior and early out talent density in the BCS at least for 2008 season and by NFL standards.

2009 draftees per conference member
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Big East - 3.38 per
P10 ----- 3.20
SEC -----3.00
ACC -----2.75
B10 -----2.55
B12 -----2.33
MWC ----1.76
WAC-----1.11
CUSA----0.92
MAC-----0.77
SBC -----0.25

[TommyTrojan]

Who would ever thought this when BC, Miami, and VT left for the ACC? It really says a lot of how programs like UConn, USF, and Rutgers have raised their game.

Hen, I've noticed you putting these lists out for a few years now, and it seems like the Big 12 is always at or near the bottom of the BCS schools. Cannot figure out why, but it's interesting. Also, maybe those Big 12 defenses were pretty average in 2008.

Big 12 defensive players drafted = 10
USC defensive players drafted = 9

:cool:

[Blue Hen]

Yeah, the B12 talent density just isn't at the same level of the top 3 or 4 conferences. It's a pattern I've noticed with both Draftees and NFL roster player counts in the BCS era.

The Big East actually had a stronger draft in 2004 ( 3.50 per ) and an equally strong draft in 2002 ( 3.38 per ). It's always been an underrated league...before and after the defections.

Another strong draft for the P10...beating the SEC again . The SEC has only won one of the last 6 NFL drafts. Its overwhelming talent superiority is one of the biggest myths in sports.

[aufan59]

Yeah, the B12 talent density just isn't at the same level of the top 3 or 4 conferences. It's a pattern I've noticed with both Draftees and NFL roster player counts in the BCS era.

The Big East actually had a stronger draft in 2004 ( 3.50 per ) and an equally strong draft in 2002 ( 3.38 per ). It's always been an underrated league...before and after the defections.

Another strong draft for the P10...beating the SEC again . The SEC has only won one of the last 6 NFL drafts. Its overwhelming talent superiority is one of the biggest myths in sports.

Break down NFL talent by offensive and defensive lines. The SEC will dominate there, which is why the SEC has dominated college football recently. The SEC breeds NFL caliber linemen, which is the foundation of any good football team.

It is why Alabama goes 11-2 and their OL is drafted in the top 10 but their QB goes undrafted.

[Blue Hen]

aufan59, I agree with you. The perceived SEC superior production of speed position players is a myth. The league's strength, as far as producing players for the next level, is offensive and defensive linemen. The breakdown of SEC players making it to Canton reflects this pretty well :

5 OL
4 DL
1 LB
0 DBs (prime speed position)
2 RBs
5 QBs
1 WR ( prime speed position)
1 TE

The SEC has not dominated CF lately ..or ever. Lately, The SEC has won 51 % of its games vs other BCS leagues. Look up 'domination' and 'average' in your dictionary, aufan , then tell us which definition best fits a 51 % success rate.

[NCT]

Charley Trippi played defensive back for the Cardinals in 1954 and 1955.

[MasterBevo]

...best senior and early out talent density in the BCS at least for 2008 season and by NFL standards.

2009 draftees per conference member
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Big East - 3.38 per
P10 ----- 3.20
SEC -----3.00
ACC -----2.75
B10 -----2.55
B12 -----2.33
MWC ----1.76
WAC-----1.11
CUSA----0.92
MAC-----0.77
SBC -----0.25

Interesting data, BH.. thanks.

I would agree that the Big 12 talent "density" is not up to par. Particularly, in the Big 12 North. Those guys just aren't drawing talent up there.

Texas and OK have produced quite a few good NFL players in recent years. This year, Texas only had 7 Seniors elgible for the draft.... 4 were drafted, two more will make teams.

Which.. brings up another point. You can't just go by "drafted" players anymore since there are only 8 rounds now. There are quite a few very good players now who go undrafted, but make NFL teams... like Selvin Young at Denver a couple of years ago, and Quan Cosby (I predict) this year.

Every breakdown of NFL teams by Conference that I have ever seen shows the SEC with a pretty healthy lead. Do you have some new study that shows otherwise?

[Blue Hen]

Yeah, he played 3 positions........HB, QB and a little DB for parts of two seasons but was enshrined in the Hall as an offensive player. Don Hutson played some safety too but was enshrined as an end. I check every year - no sign of a true ex SEC DB in the Hall. Not fast enough, I guess :-)

[Blue Hen]

I kind of agree. An annual opening day roster count is the best, IMO, for seeing who really produces NFL players. A few free agent signees make rosters every year and many draftees do not. I do that every year too, Bevo. Do you want to see last year's count.

[aufan59]

aufan59, I agree with you. The perceived SEC superior production of speed position players is a myth. The league's strength, as far as producing players for the next level, is offensive and defensive linemen. The breakdown of SEC players making it to Canton reflects this pretty well :

5 OL
4 DL
1 LB
0 DBs (prime speed position)
2 RBs
5 QBs
1 WR ( prime speed position)
1 TE

The SEC has not dominated CF lately ..or ever. Lately, The SEC has won 51 % of its games vs other BCS leagues. Look up 'domination' and 'average' in your dictionary, aufan , then tell us which definition best fits a 51 % success rate.

Well the goal for every team is the BCS National Championship, whether you like the method of selecting the winner or not. Winning 3 of the last 3 and 5 of 10 when there are 6 other conferences on equal (or superior) footing is domination in my book.

The SEC has shown that it is superior at achieving this goal since it's initiation. The main reason being superior linemen, and the NFL recognizes this.

It isn't speed at receiver. Speed is a dime a dozen in that body type.

SEC dominates with speed on the lines. While not a dominating factor of skill at these positions like WR, it is a valuable attribute that the NFL values and the SEC mimics.

The SEC leads while the other conferences follow. They will come around and we will eventually have parity. But we aren't quite there.

[MasterBevo]

I kind of agree. An annual opening day roster count is the best, IMO, for seeing who really produces NFL players. A few free agent signees make rosters every year and many draftees do not. I do that every year too, Bevo. Do you want to see last year's count.

Sure...

And, when replying to multiple posts, you really should try using the QUOTE feature..... it makes it much easier for readers to follow who you are responding to...

... said the newcomer to the Standard Bearer... :)

[NCT]

Yeah, he played 3 positions........HB, QB and a little DB for parts of two seasons but was enshrined in the Hall as an offensive player. Don Hutson played some safety too but was enshrined as an end. I check every year - no sign of a true ex SEC DB in the Hall. Not fast enough, I guess :-)

He also returned punts and kickoffs. :)

[Blue Hen]

Your first sentence says it, aufan...." the goal of every TEAM is to win the BCS ... championship " TEAMS win those things, not conferences.

By your logic, the ACC was CF's dominant conference in 99, B12 was CF's dominant conference in 2000, the Big East in 2001, the B10 in 2002, the P10 in 2004 ???? You really believe that ?

I'd say that losing 49% of your games vs other BCS leagues, especially when a majority are played at or near SEC homes is about perfect 'parity'....and almost perfectly average. Your SEC dominance fantasy is comical.

[Blue Hen]

Tell me how to do that 'quote' thing. I'm the absolutest dumbest computer user to ever show up on a CF board. Talk to me like I'm a 5 year old that first heard of one of these things, or a 62 year old fart who is too lazy to learn any of this stuff.... use very elemental terminology and instructions, thanks. HYH had to get that little Blue Hen thingy on my posts.

Anyway, players on 08 NFL active , opening day rosters by school :

Miami - 45
Georgia - 37
LSU - 36
Ohio St. - 35
Florida St. -35
Michigan - 34
Tennessee - 32
Texas - 31
Southern Cal -30
Florida - 30
Va Tech - 27
Notre Dame - 27
Nebraska - 26
California - 26
Auburn - 25

Players per conference member
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ACC - 21.33 per
SEC - 21.08
B10 - 20.09
P10 - 17.50
B12 - 13.83
BEC - 11.13
MWC- 7.33
WAC - 6.56
CUSA- 5.17
MAC - 3.92
SBC - 2.75


....and, of course, there's some annual fluctuation with these numbers.

[MasterBevo]

Tell me how to do that 'quote' thing. I'm the absolutest dumbest computer user to ever show up on a CF board. Talk to me like I'm a 5 year old that first heard of one of these things, or a 62 year old fart who is too lazy to learn any of this stuff.... use very elemental terminology and instructions, thanks. HYH had to get that little Blue Hen thingy on my posts.

Here's how you do it... (BTW, I'm not the quickest computer student either, so.. if I can do it, you can... )

Instead of hitting the 'Reply' button, click on the "Quote" button.

You will then see the message you are responding to... in regular type.
It will all be shown between two markers:

which marks the beginning.. and,

which marks the end...

PLease note: I changed the word "quote" to "Quite" just so it will show up in this message.

If you want, you can delete all or part of anything in between these markers... so, you're just replying to a specific part of the previous post...

To do this... push and hold the left click on your mouse, then drag it across the text you want to delete... it will become "highlighted"... when you have it all selected, hit the delete key.

If you mess up, and delete more than you intended... you can click on the little blue, curved arrow that points counter-clockwise... up above the text box, and it will UN-DO what you just did. This is a pretty handy little feature.

When you get ready to add your own comments... just type as you normally would AFTER the .... end marker.

If you really want to get fancy.... you can split the previous content up into multiple quotes... just by adding in your own "Markers" where you want them... I typically do this just by cutting and pasting the beginning marker:

[QUiTE=Blue Hen;32763]

Do this... just as you would a delete... CLick in the left button and drag your mouse across everything between the [ ] (including the brackets)... then, while it is highlited, push the right click button on your mouse, and you'll see a little menu pop up... one of the options is "copy" ...

Oh yea... when you RIGHT CLICK, the cursor arrow need to be over the highlited text...

Click on COPY with your left mouse button....

Then, move down into the text, wherever you want it.. and, push the right click mouse button... another menu will appear, and you left click on PASTE.

BOOM! It appears... and opens a new Quote Box...

Just type in when you want to finish it.

That may not be the most elegant way to do this... but, it works! :p

Have Fun!

BTW>>> And, here's a place for you to try it... what are the TOTAL players per conference... if you don't figure it on a Per conference member basis?

[HellYeahHokie]

BTW>>> And, here's a place for you to try it... what are the TOTAL players per conference... if you don't figure it on a Per conference member basis?

I'm using the quote function to call you out as an impostor. No man who claims to have graduated from the fine University of Texas College of Engineering should have to ask how to come up with the total number of players.

Just multiply by the number of conference teams!:rolleyes:

[MasterBevo]

Just multiply by the number of conference teams!:rolleyes:

SHHHHH!!!! Now you've ruined the fun. I was trying to give BH a reason to edit my post in his quote..

Jeezz.. you Hokies have no tact at all... :rolleyes:

[ZOOMBAG]

It also shows how different the college game can be from the pro game. Arguably the most successful program for roughly 40 years, Nebraska, was never very high on NFL draft stats. Today the best college teams run that spread option offense that doesn't translate to the NFL. College QB's in these systems usually end up playing some other position if they land in the NFL.

[Blue Hen]

Just multiply the 'draftees per member' number by # of teams in a conference for total.

Thanks BEVO. I might give the single quote thing a try next week.... could be a big mess.

[Don]

If you want to answer different part of the same post individually, simply open that post by hitting the "quote" button. Then highlight the entire post and copy it. Then repeatedly paste it in the same window, like this...(note I put an extra space after the bracket "[" so that it won't be read as a quote)

[ QUOTE=Blue Hen;32787]Just multiply the 'per member' number by no of teams in a conference for total.

Thanks BEVO. That's intimidating. I might give it a try next week but could be a big mess.[ /QUOTE]

[ QUOTE=Blue Hen;32787]Just multiply the 'per member' number by no of teams in a conference for total.

Thanks BEVO. That's intimidating. I might give it a try next week but could be a big mess.[ /QUOTE]

[ QUOTE=Blue Hen;32787]Just multiply the 'per member' number by no of teams in a conference for total.

Thanks BEVO. That's intimidating. I might give it a try next week but could be a big mess.[ /QUOTE]

Then move back and delete all of the post that you don't want to address and respond to the remaining part. Like this

[ QUOTE=Blue Hen;32787]Just multiply the 'per member' number ...[ /QUOTE]

What the ^%$# do you mean by "per member' number"???


[ QUOTE=Blue Hen;32787]....no of teams....[ /QUOTE]

Do you mean "# of teams" ???

[ QUOTE=Blue Hen;32787]Thanks BEVO. That's intimidating. I might give it a try next week but could be a big mess.[ /QUOTE]

Come on slow-poke.:)

If you do this (without the extra space) it will look like this ...

Just multiply the 'per member' number ...

What the ^%$# do you mean by "per member' number"???


....no of teams....

Do you mean "# of teams" ???

Thanks BEVO. That's intimidating. I might give it a try next week but could be a big mess.

Come on slow-poke.:)

Try it out on one of your own post.

[aufan59]

Your first sentence says it, aufan...." the goal of every TEAM is to win the BCS ... championship " TEAMS win those things, not conferences.

By your logic, the ACC was CF's dominant conference in 99, B12 was CF's dominant conference in 2000, the Big East in 2001, the B10 in 2002, the P10 in 2004 ???? You really believe that ?

I'd say that losing 49% of your games vs other BCS leagues, especially when a majority are played at or near SEC homes is about perfect 'parity'....and almost perfectly average. Your SEC dominance fantasy is comical.

Teams adapt to other teams in their conference. Florida completely changed how SEC football was played in the 90s. If an SEC team has dominant OL and DL, then other teams need to pick it up. LSU is/was a good example of this with their championship teams. The other teams followed suit for the sake of in conference competition, which is why they dominate the college football National Championship scene.

If a team wins the SECCG, it is because they have dominant line play, which allows them to steam roll anyone they play for a National Championship.

If you haven't been watching the last 10 years of College Football that is fine. But if you have and you haven't seen how line play is a huge factor, especially in the 5 BCS Titles that the SEC has won, well...

[Blue Hen]

Thanks, Don