The NBA is a Joke

[BossTalker]

Steve Nash winning the MVP two years in a row is a joke. He's never led his team to a championship, he doesn't play defense...same with Dirk. These white boys should be kissing David Stern's ass. Stern implemented the zone defense because those white boys couldn't play defense. Also, drawing a charge is the most punkish act in sports period. Punk ass players can't play defense so they'll sit there and flop down to the floor like a hooker on Filmore St. The NBA will never see an intense rivalry like the Joe Dumars vs. MJ because of Stern..and because of that, the NBA is a JOKE!!!

[HellYeahHokie]

The MVP award is for the regular season. Once they make the MVP award for the entire year, including championships, you will have a point. But Nash was more than deserving. And most people who think Nash shouldn't have one the MVP believe that Kobe Bryant should win, but he hasn't won a championship without Shaq, despite his gaudy numbers. LeBron James? He hasn't won a championship either.

I would agree with you that the charging foul stinks, if only the referees didn't call any fouls on the defense if an offensive player drives the lane looking for contact. But without charging, anyone can drive the lane, draw contact, and go to the line. If defenses were allowed to knock those players down, well fine. But that's not basketball, that pro wrestling. So the only defense the NBA is allowed is to stand there and take a charge. Which is a lot more interesting than watching Shaq drop his shoulder into a guy to push him out of the way (take an extra step), then dunk uncontested.

[BossTalker]

It is my belief that Nash is the only multiple winner that has never been on an all NBA defensive team. Amare is the real MVP on the Phoenix Sun's team. He's the player that does the grunt work and scores. Without the zone defense, Nash would only be a solid point guard. He's no Stockton or Isaiah Thompson. He would still be a John Paxson without the zone.

The charge foul takes the life out of the game. Especially when someone flops to draw it. However, there are occasions when an offensive player is out of control driving to the lane and a charge should be called...but flopping is BS!

What happen to the days of the Oakly's, Dumars' and the Rodman's playing defense. Stern has effed the NBA up with the zone defense IMO...

[Spice1]

Kobe was the leading scorer in the NBA this year AND First Team all defense. That sounds like an MVP to me. Basketball is a two way sport.

[EvilVodka]

It is my belief that Nash is the only multiple winner that has never been on an all NBA defensive team. Amare is the real MVP on the Phoenix Sun's team

You can have Stoudamire...I'll take Nash and his ability to energize the team, make wild passes and get the ball to multiple players, and hit 3's when it counts

You take Nash out of the Spurs-Suns series, and Phoenix doesn't stand a chance

[Seven]

What is this "nba" of which you speak?

[HellYeahHokie]

The Phoenix offense doesn't run period without Nash. When he was out with a shoulder injury in February or March, he missed 4 games. I believe the Suns when 1-3 over those 4 games.

He's easily the MVP of that team. And he's certainly in the Top 5 of MVP in the league.

To compare him to Paxson is a joke.

[BossTalker]

The Phoenix offense doesn't run period without Nash. When he was out with a shoulder injury in February or March, he missed 4 games. I believe the Suns when 1-3 over those 4 games.

He's easily the MVP of that team. And he's certainly in the Top 5 of MVP in the league.

To compare him to Paxson is a joke.

Before the zone was allowed, did you know what team Nash played for? He was a John Paxson role player for the Mavericks. Had Cuban known that Stern would add the zone, he probably would have kept Nash.

If you replace Nash with Jason Kidd, the Phoenix Sun's would win it every year. Kidd does not Cadillac on the defensive end, he goes after rebounds and plays defense. Amare and Marion would then get the credit that they truly deserve with Kidd at the point...

[BossTalker]

You take Nash out of the Spurs-Suns series, and Phoenix doesn't stand a chance

Add a PG that plays defense = They win it all....:)

[Scarlet Hayes]

Nash was a role player in dallas? you forgot the smiley face.

This is the skinny on Nash: unbelievable offensive talent--with and without the ball. Defensively, I agree, he's essentially a national league pitcher going up to bat: a liability.

That said, I'm going to say that Nash will go down as one of the 10 greatest "below the rim" players of all time. The guy is fun to watch. The man puts on a clinic just about every game out.

Lastly, not being a real big NBA fan, it is the players and coaches that vote for these MVP awards, right? wrong? And if zone helps Nash, imagine what it does for better defenders. They all play under the same rules.

[TommyTrojan]

The Phoenix offense doesn't run period without Nash. When he was out with a shoulder injury in February or March, he missed 4 games. I believe the Suns when 1-3 over those 4 games.

He's easily the MVP of that team. And he's certainly in the Top 5 of MVP in the league.

To compare him to Paxson is a joke.

Nash has value for the Suns because they play the type of ball that allows him to flourish. The Suns aren't going to win anything playing one side of the ball, but they're fun to watch.

The best players in the NBA are Kobe and Duncan. 2 of the best ever

[HellYeahHokie]

Before the zone was allowed, did you know what team Nash played for? He was a John Paxson role player for the Mavericks. Had Cuban known that Stern would add the zone, he probably would have kept Nash.

If you replace Nash with Jason Kidd, the Phoenix Sun's would win it every year. Kidd does not Cadillac on the defensive end, he goes after rebounds and plays defense. Amare and Marion would then get the credit that they truly deserve with Kidd at the point...

Calling Nash a role player in Dallas pretty much takes all credibility away from what you have to say on this subject.

[BossTalker]

Calling Nash a role player in Dallas pretty much takes all credibility away from what you have to say on this subject.

The stats don't lie!! He sure as hell wasn't a star in Dallas...if that's what you're getting at. He may have been well on his way to stardom in Big D. First time starter on the All-Star team in 2006 which was his second year of his second stint with PHX is proof that he was a role player in Dallas...and his primary role was to feed Dirk and Finley the rock which were the star players at that time for Dallas and drain the open 3...wasn't playing defense there either...hell no one was playing defense for Dallas then.

BTW, I'm not searching for credibility on a message board...my theory about the zone helping Nash is unarguable IMO...

[HellYeahHokie]

A player averaging over 16 points and 7 assists per game is not a role player. I don't think Paxson ever averaged in double figures scoring. I know he didnt have that many assists ever. In Nash's last 4 years in Dallas, when he was actually healthy, he emerged as one of the best point guards in the league. When he left for Phoenix, he just continued on what was already established All-Star trajectory.

I don't doubt the zone defense has helped Nash because of his defensive limitations, but to suggest that it was only the implementation of the zone defense which allowed him to emerge as an All-Star talent ignores the facts.