Interesting ...

[Jim]

It seems that when I get "chatty" others just kind of wait around for someone else to converse with. Oh well, here I go again ...

BCS right now:

Alabama
Texas Tech
Texas
Florida
Oklahoma
USC
Utah
Penn State
Boise State
Ohio State

BCS later today:

Alabama - can't really reduce them as they came in unbeaten and #1.
Texas - Horns jump one spot due to OU's win over Tech.
Oklahoma - Sooners jump two spots with win over Tech.
Florida - Gators, even with blowout win, don't really deserve to jump.
Utah - Utes crush a 10-1 BYU for MWC title and BCS spot.
Penn State - Crush Michigan State. Jump two. Only loss, like Texas, on games last play.
USC - Didn't play. Win over now 5-7 Stanford best win since tOSU. Drop one.
Ohio State - Crush now 3-9 Michigan. Jump two.
Boise State - Less than grandiose performance against now 6-5 Nevada. Remain #9.
Texas Tech - Have impressive wins this year. #2 to #10 is deserved.


Oklahoma, in my polls, is the second best team in the country. But I rationalize according the those who do this for aliving. But jumping two spots while others, ahead of them either didn't play (Texas) or crushed Div-IAA (Gators over Citadel) is the most that can be expected. By so doing they respect Texas' win over OU and rightly so. Gators will get theri shot vs. Alabama. If OU doesn't play in the Big 12 title game and Florida beats Alabama then it will be Texas (beating Missouri again will get them to 12-1) vs. Florida also 12-1. OU would then play Alabama in the Sugar Bowl while the match between USC and Utah (CFN projection and a good match) would get the Fiesta Bowl.

Don't have a problem with this as all would be marquis games matchign potent teams against one another. Texas Tech probably in the Cotton (11-1 ought ot beat out a 10-3 Missouri) vs. Ole Miss or Georgia. Rose gets the dreaded rematch between Penn State and Oregon State. Orange gets Concinnati vs. the ACC champion.

Now, none of this last minute confusion would be taking place had Texas not lost to Tech on the game's last play with 0:01 remaining. Texas, Alabama, Florida and probably OU wwould be the top four teams in the nation according to the BCS. Texas vs. either ALabama or Florida would be the anticipated BCS National Championship game. OU to the Sugar to play the loser of the Florida vs. Alabama game. Top four would play in a double Big 12 vs. SEC arrangement. Did so folowing the 1971 season (Alabama vs. Nebraska in Orange and Auburn vs. Oklahoma in Sugar).

[TommyTrojan]

You're modest Jim. I can't honestly say anyone is playing better than OU right now.

As for the Texas-Oklahoma debate. Yes, Texas did beat them, but since TT beat UT, and OU beat TT it cannot be simply about head-to-head. Texas and TT played doormats out of conference. Oklahoma anhilated a very good Cincinnati team and handled an equally good TCU team. Both could finish with 10 wins. Because they were early in the year, most have seem to forgot about those wins.

BTW Jim- Since Oregon State, USC has beaten Oregon, Cal and Arizona, whom are all better than Stanford.

[Jim]

TT, I agree with your assessment of USC's wins since Ohio State. But 17-10, 17-3 are not what I'd call overly impressive. Now I will agree to stand corrected since USC did crush Oregon, 44-10, or something like that. The "hottest right now" comment is appreciated and I will agree that I am a harsher critic of Oklahoma then a lot of others. But I'd like to think I know them well. They aren't a muscled power, slobber-knocker type of team but more like a west coast finesse team. No powering FB. Timing routes. Pass blocking isn't the same as punch them in the mouth blocking. Defense remains a concern. Even Tech got a 99 yard drive on them to score its plast points. OU has won impressively last in the season as of late only to get hammered in a bowl game.

[BossTalker]

TT, I agree with your assessment of USC's wins since Ohio State. But 17-10, 17-3 are not what I'd call overly impressive. Now I will agree to stand corrected since USC did crush Oregon, 44-10, or something like that. The "hottest right now" comment is appreciated and I will agree that I am a harsher critic of Oklahoma then a lot of others. But I'd like to think I know them well. They aren't a muscled power, slobber-knocker type of team but more like a west coast finesse team. No powering FB. Timing routes. Pass blocking isn't the same as punch them in the mouth blocking. Defense remains a concern. Even Tech got a 99 yard drive on them to score its plast points. OU has won impressively last in the season as of late only to get hammered in a bowl game.


Texas lost to TT in TT's backyard.

OU Beat TT in its own backyard

Texas beat OU on a neutral field

This is what it will come down to. Jim, call your congressman and that colored boy, Obama Husein Barrak and tell them to move those OU Boomers to the Big 12 North!

[Jim]

Texas lost to TT in TT's backyard.

OU Beat TT in their own backyard

Texas beat OU on a neutral field

This is what it will come down to. Jim, call your congressman and that colored boy, Obama Husein Barrak and tell them to move those OU Boomers to the Big 12 North!


My congressman is a repuiblican so Barack won't speak to him. Hell, he doesn't speak to anybody. Just drops his magic wand onto the shoulders of those he is told to pick - The Clintonistas. See, Hillary actually won it. If Hillary can't win by a delegate count then she'll stack the deck with those who would have got knighted anyway. Mission accomplished.

Oh, Cow Whisperer, I think Texas will remain ahead of Oklahoma in the BCS. Hope McGhee makes it three in a row but then again, I continue to play the Powerball lottery as well.

[Coach 3]

...too funny back and forth between you guys..will respond with my own verbosity later...keep posting your thoughtpieces btw- the texas-OU ranking debate will be engaging others all week. right now, you both need to pay homage to the iowa hawkeyes for your even being able to have this debate....a wild last 2 weeks we will get in the "big sort out"..only thing that seems certain now is fla. will be playing for that title unless joe willie, johnny musso and wilbur jackson are suiting up for bama in 2 weeks..persoanlly, i simply want to see the 2 best teams in the title game...and right now, OU is better than texas...period.

[ZOOMBAG]

Add USC, Florida, and Utah to the debate. Utah has the best case. UNBEATEN with wins over a team USC couldn't beat, wins over BYU, TCU and Air Force all bowl bound and/or 8 or more win teams. Oregon St could be Rose Bowl bound.

Penn St should be in the discussion, too.....

[JamesHowell]

Utah has completed their season and will end as the highest-rated non-BCS conference champ, so you can scratch Boise State from the list.

[Jim]

We have two patron saints in this forum of the usually disadvantaged. Blue Hen represents the SAC and always keeps us informed about the Div-IAA season and its accomplishments. Zoombag is the other one who is the clear champion of the non-BCS leagues.

A "Mother Theresa" icon for both of you. But she'll look like a NASCAR entry with all of those logos stuck onto her.

[Bucs90]

I can honestly say OU looked better in that one half than any team I've seen in a long, long time. As excited as I am about Bama vs UF.....I'm even more excited about seeing the SEC vs Big 12 champs. Whoever it ends up being is gonna be one hell of a game.

[ZOOMBAG]

OU would beat Alabama by four TD's. Florida vs OU would be a pretty good game, though.

[aufan59]

OU would beat Alabama by four TD's. Florida vs OU would be a pretty good game, though.

But Alabama will be the only team equipped to deal with Florida in the title game, as that will be their second game against them.

Urban Myer will destroy any non-Alabama team for the SEC's third BCS Title in a row. The only way we get a competitive title game is if it is a rematch.

[ZOOMBAG]

Vegas has every BCS conference one loss team in the country a double digit favorite over Alabama in a hypothetical matchup.

OU Florida would be a good title game but OU is still 10 points better than Florida right now. Texas - Florida would be a good game too.

As it is, the MOST likely rematch according to Palm will be OU-Texas.

[BossTalker]

OU Florida would be a good title game

Yes it would! As OU's last 4 BCS Bowl Games were....Good....as a matter of they were, in the words of Tony The Tiger, GRRRREAT! Did I mention that they were 0-4 in their last 4 BCS Bowl games?:D

[BossTalker]

Something has to happen! OU has to go to the Big 12 North to make it right!

[TommyTrojan]

OU is still 10 points better than Florida right now.

No way are they 10 points better than Florida. UF has the secondary depth to cover the OU WR's and TE.

[Marc Sharaf]

Vegas has every BCS conference one loss team in the country a double digit favorite over Alabama in a hypothetical matchup.

OU Florida would be a good title game but OU is still 10 points better than Florida right now. Texas - Florida would be a good game too.

As it is, the MOST likely rematch according to Palm will be OU-Texas.

If this title game should happen (UF-OU) I will love coming to this board after Florida blows out Oklahoma. The Sooners have not seen the offensive speed that the Gators would throw at them.

Still a lot of work for both teams to take care of in the mean time.

[EvilVodka]

If this title game should happen (UF-OU) I will love coming to this board after Florida blows out Oklahoma. The Sooners have not seen the offensive speed that the Gators would throw at them.

Still a lot of work for both teams to take care of in the mean time.

exactly

Let me play Devil's Advocate, and ask you...who exactly has Florida beaten?

In fact, who are the best teams in the SEC right now? Most people are living off of last year, when the SEC was loaded...but it ain't last year

LSU has completely imploded at QB...Georgia has looked just a tad better than mediocre all year (take a long look at their wins again: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=61 )

The SEC is overrated this year, big time, and the best teams besides Florida may very well be (surprise, surprise) Alabama and Ole Miss, and one of those teams sunk the Gators in the Swamp

you may want to take a long gander at Florida's schedule, and what they've actually accomplished this year...as impressive as they've looked (like hanging 70 on IAA Citadel), they may be playing their toughest games of the season the next two weeks

[Marc Sharaf]

exactly

Let me play Devil's Advocate, and ask you...who exactly has Florida beaten?

In fact, who are the best teams in the SEC right now? Most people are living off of last year, when the SEC was loaded...but it ain't last year

LSU has completely imploded at QB...Georgia has looked just a tad better than mediocre all year (take a long look at their wins again: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=61 )

The SEC is overrated this year, big time, and the best teams besides Florida may very well be (surprise, surprise) Alabama and Ole Miss, and one of those teams sunk the Gators in the Swamp

you may want to take a long gander at Florida's schedule, and what they've actually accomplished this year...as impressive as they've looked (like hanging 70 on IAA Citadel), they may be playing their toughest games of the season the next two weeks

I won't argue with the SEC beyond Alabama, Florida, and Georgia being down. It's clear that they are. Because of that, the Gators are not going to have a lot of name wins, but look at HOW they are winning. Since the Ole Miss loss they've won by 31, 30, 58, 39, 28, 50, and 51. Hell, in all of the 10 wins the closest game was 23 points. I think they've proven the Mississippi game to be a fluke.

If the next two games are UF's toughest, they both picked the wrong time to face Florida as they're way better now then they were earlier in the season.

[kocurt]

If everyone brings thier "A" game, the only team in the nation that can hang with OU is Florida. In fact, I think Florida is a bit better all around and should be a slight favorite in that game. Anyone else loses by at least 2 TD's.

Oklahoma will go to the title game. Texas, USC, whomever, can complain and throw out reasons and scenarios whereby it wont happen, but in the end it wont matter. If OU wins out, they will go. period. Thier record and body of work is far and away better than Texas, Florida, Bama, USC, etc. etc. Mark my words, bookmark the thread, and when it happens, call this back up.

[Marc Sharaf]

If everyone brings thier "A" game, the only team in the nation that can hang with OU is Florida. In fact, I think Florida is a bit better all around and should be a slight favorite in that game. Anyone else loses by at least 2 TD's.

Oklahoma will go to the title game. Texas, USC, whomever, can complain and throw out reasons and scenarios whereby it wont happen, but in the end it wont matter. If OU wins out, they will go. period. Thier record and body of work is far and away better than Texas, Florida, Bama, USC, etc. etc. Mark my words, bookmark the thread, and when it happens, call this back up.

I think it would be real interesting to see if Texas and OU both win out, how the voters vote the Longhorns and Sooners. I could see many moving Oklahoma ahead of Texas despite Texas beating them on the field.

Wouldn't bother me any, as I think OU is better than Texas.

[Jim]

Of course, the pollsters, and the fans, would like to see USC vs. Alabama. That might happen if Texas nudges out OU in the BCS and Florida takes Alabama. Then we'd have Utah at 12-0 vs. Oklahoma at 11-1.

Texas Tech would play Ole Miss in the Cotton Bowl even though Georgia would be more deserving of the premier tier-2 bowl. But after Florida, Alabama and Georgia there is a drop off among SEC teams. Ole Miss and probably South Carolina being the next best two. Kentucky and Vanderbilt closing out those that qualify for the post season.

Holiday would ahve to make a decision between Oklahoma State (10-2) who beat Missouri (probably 10-3). The one not chosen going to the Alamo Bowl to play Iowa in San Antonio. The winner playing either Oregon, Arizona or California in San Diego. Nebraska would head to the Sun Bowl and Kansas to the Insight Bowl. Looks like no Big 12 team in the Independence so probably a WAC or Sun Belt in its place to play Vanderbilt or a 6-6 South Carolina. Who would the SEC send to the Liberty Bowl and Music City Bowl. Maybe Nashville would get Kentucky for the third straight year? Or perhaps Vandy would make an appearance on its home field? South Carolina vs. Houston in Memphis?

Crazy stuff.

[EvilVodka]

I think it would be real interesting to see if Texas and OU both win out, how the voters vote the Longhorns and Sooners. I could see many moving Oklahoma ahead of Texas despite Texas beating them on the field.

Wouldn't bother me any, as I think OU is better than Texas.

I have a problem putting OU above Texas because voters think Oklahoma is better now as opposed to the actual on the field results

OU lost to Texas, 35-45, bottomline

lets see how Oklahoma finishes off the Big XII gauntlet this weekend against Okie State before handing them the crown

[EvilVodka]

If everyone brings thier "A" game, the only team in the nation that can hang with OU is Florida. In fact, I think Florida is a bit better all around and should be a slight favorite in that game. Anyone else loses by at least 2 TD's.

Oklahoma will go to the title game. Texas, USC, whomever, can complain and throw out reasons and scenarios whereby it wont happen, but in the end it wont matter. If OU wins out, they will go. period. Thier record and body of work is far and away better than Texas, Florida, Bama, USC, etc. etc. Mark my words, bookmark the thread, and when it happens, call this back up.

hehe right

we heard all of this before in '03, '04, '06, and '07

how many points did West Virginia beat Oklahoma by last year?

what do those great OU victories this year all have in common? they were all at home in comfy Norman

The only team that has matched Oklahoma athlete for athlete beat them 45-35, Oklahoma looks pretty tall standing next to midgets

[Jim]

hehe right

we heard all of this before in '03, '04, '06, and '07

how many points did West Virginia beat Oklahoma by last year?

what do those great OU victories this year all have in common? they were all at home in comfy Norman

The only team that has matched Oklahoma athlete for athlete beat them 45-35, Oklahoma looks pretty tall standing next to midgets


LSU is really knocking them dead this year aren't they? I think Les Miles must be wearing spiked heels and sporting a '60s bubble doo under that Wal*Mart hat of his. How many big games did they lose at home? Georgia, Alabama and Ole Miss (almost Troy as well). At least put on a good show for the home folks. Les Miles ... per gallon.

[Blue Hen]

What rating are you referring to ?

[Blue Hen]

This guarantee is brought to you by the same kocurt that guaranteed us that "this game is a blow-out UGA win" ...regarding Bama/UGA. " Bama is not back yet. Final score score - Uga 42, Bama 21"

Marked , kocurt.

[Blue Hen]

I think a Carroll vs Saban FB game would be most tasty !!

[aufan59]

If everyone brings thier "A" game, the only team in the nation that can hang with OU is Florida. In fact, I think Florida is a bit better all around and should be a slight favorite in that game. Anyone else loses by at least 2 TD's.

Oklahoma will go to the title game. Texas, USC, whomever, can complain and throw out reasons and scenarios whereby it wont happen, but in the end it wont matter. If OU wins out, they will go. period. Thier record and body of work is far and away better than Texas, Florida, Bama, USC, etc. etc. Mark my words, bookmark the thread, and when it happens, call this back up.

I don't mind watchng OU lose in bowl games. In fact I really enjoy it. However I don't think we should ruin another BCS Title game. Let Stoops prove(yet again) he can't prepare a team for a bowl game vs Utah instead.

[Blue Hen]

Yeah......like last bowl season when Michigan had never seen the speed that Florida was supposed to throw at them. Florida is 1-5 in bowls vs B12/B8 teams. The speed advantage has been underwhelming. Florida is overwhelming SEC teams this season. Things may get a little more difficult outside the relative safety of that league as UF's 10-13 record vs other BCS leagues in the BCS era might suggest.

[Jim]

I don't mind watchng OU lose in bowl games. In fact I really enjoy it. However I don't think we should ruin another BCS Title game. Let Stoops prove(yet again) he can't prepare a team for a bowl game vs Utah instead.

I've always kind of liked Auburn unlike you, who are directed to plant your fanny on one side of the bus while Alabama fans sit on the opposite side. Kind of "mental" bunch if you ask me. Your team here in 2008 is rather pathetic. Making a first down generates a cheer from your fans these days. I think a great game would have been OU at Auburn this year. You'd then be prepared to get throttled by a team who also wears Crimson prior to your home grown elephants trampling your kitty cats. And during the holidays no less.

Tupperware might ought to update his resume.

[Blue Hen]

I believe AuFan would have predicted Auburn to win that hypothetical game between AU and OU.

[EvilVodka]

I've always kind of liked Auburn unlike you, who are directed to plant your fanny on one side of the bus while Alabama fans sit on the opposite side. Kind of "mental" bunch if you ask me. Your team here in 2008 is rather pathetic. Making a first down generates a cheer from your fans these days. I think a great game would have been OU at Auburn this year. You'd then be prepared to get throttled by a team who also wears Crimson prior to your home grown elephants trampling your kitty cats. And during the holidays no less.

Tupperware might ought to update his resume.

Trash talk aside, Auburn is a better football team than people think, and its the Iron Bowl...

I think Saban wins, but its going to be tight conservative football, and its going to be very close...

Alabama 17
Auburn 13

[EvilVodka]

I believe AuFan would have predicted Auburn to win that hypothetical game between AU and OU.

Maybe Auburn would have...how do you think Oklahoma would have fared if they would have waltzed into Jordan-Hare Stadium the second week of the season?

both teams have obviously gone in different directions, but OU has exactly won by being road warriors

[aufan59]

I've always kind of liked Auburn unlike you, who are directed to plant your fanny on one side of the bus while Alabama fans sit on the opposite side. Kind of "mental" bunch if you ask me. Your team here in 2008 is rather pathetic. Making a first down generates a cheer from your fans these days. I think a great game would have been OU at Auburn this year. You'd then be prepared to get throttled by a team who also wears Crimson prior to your home grown elephants trampling your kitty cats. And during the holidays no less.

Tupperware might ought to update his resume.

Not really sure where Auburn came from. Oklahoma is 0-4 for their last 4 BCS bowl games, and they haven't really showed any signs that they will not ruin another title game if they get to play in one again.

[Jim]

Not really sure where Auburn came from. Oklahoma is 0-4 for their last 4 BCS bowl games, and they haven't really showed any signs that they will not ruin another title game if they get to play in one again.

Ask Mike Leach about how well Harrell did against the Sooner defense. I think Stoops has turned a corner and is moving towards those well prpared teams in the early 2000's. You have to start it somewhere. I think their defense has figured out how to play with a freshman MLB and a ton of freshman/sophomores on defense. Only the deep secondary is graduating. The leads have been so huge that it has allowed second/third teamers valuabe experience even if junk TDs are scored last on them (like six games thus far).

What you say is basically true until Stoops changes it. I think he does this year. Ordinarily OU slumps at season's end. Not so now.