Serious Question

[GatorGrad]

Let's say that Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas Tech do in fact all finish with one loss each and it comes down to BCS Ranking as to who wins the division and plays in the Big 12 Title Game, and thus has a shot at getting into the BCS Title Game. I just read that Mike Leach of Texas Tech and Mack Brown of Texas have votes in the coaches' poll, but Bob Stoops does not. That right there is all you need to know about how ridiculous this is. Why is the Coaches Poll included in the BCS? I hate polls, but at least the AP and Harris Polls don't have coaches involved. Is there a bigger joke than the Coaches Poll? Can you really expect Leach and Brown to NOT vote their team ahead of the other two in such a scenario? How can you have that kind of bias helping determine who plays in the BCS Title Game, and even more so in the Big 12 Title Game? Ridiculous. I'm with CJ...ditch the polls for good and get an objective formula, playoff or not. This is silly.

[CJHawkeyes]

Let's say that Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas Tech do in fact all finish with one loss each and it comes down to BCS Ranking as to who wins the division and plays in the Big 12 Title Game, and thus has a shot at getting into the BCS Title Game. I just read that Mike Leach of Texas Tech and Mack Brown of Texas have votes in the coaches' poll, but Bob Stoops does not. That right there is all you need to know about how ridiculous this is. Why is the Coaches Poll included in the BCS? I hate polls, but at least the AP and Harris Polls don't have coaches involved. Is there a bigger joke than the Coaches Poll? Can you really expect Leach and Brown to NOT vote their team ahead of the other two in such a scenario? How can you have that kind of bias helping determine who plays in the BCS Title Game, and even more so in the Big 12 Title Game? Ridiculous. I'm with CJ...ditch the polls for good and get an objective formula, playoff or not. This is silly.


It continues to astonish me that there is no one in a position of power that beats the "objective rules" drum like I do on here. As far as I am concerned, BCS schools either know that objective rules would undermine their ability to control the sport or everyone is so ignorant about the idea that they dismiss any system that produces a politically incorrect result without knowing the basis for those results. I already know that a significant number of fans are ignorant about "computers". I had one person tell me that my idea was too simple. Too simple? Why on earth would anyone think determining the winner(s) of a competition requires complicated rules?

[JamesHowell]

Two separate issues.

First - the BCS rules are objective. Of course, the polls are subjective, but the BCS rules are objective - they use the results of the polls (however derived) in an objective manner. They do not specify how the polls are to be conducted.

Second - the BCS gives an autobid to the Big 12 winner. It is up to the conference to determine how that winner is determined. The B12 decided to do a championship game and also decided that the division tie-breaker in the scenario represented will be the team ranked highest in the BCS. That was decided by the B12, not by the BCS.

Now then, I think a more interesting analysis would be which of those teams that did not make the B12 title game would get an auto bid via the #3/#4 rule. It is not out of the realm of the possible that the B12 North winner could win the B12 CG, getting that autobid and knocking that (now) two-loss South champion below the other two one-loss South teams with one of the two getting to 3 or 4 (or even possibly) 2 and getting an autobid or even a spot in the championship game.

[Jim]

I would think that Texas will not drop as they will win out. Texas Tech and Oklahoma State can beat Oklahoma. With Texas Tech at #2, Texas at #3 and Oklahoma at #5 I don't see the Sooners overtaking a team that is going to wind up 11-1 (Texas) who beat them in head-to-head competition. If OU beats Tech and even if they beat Oklahoma State (very tough to do in Stillwater) that Texas will be the team selected. OU's two impressive wins at the end do not equal Texas' three wins ove OU, Mizzou and OSU (two of them unbeaten as opposed to one). It will be close but Texas would play Missouri once again. Closer game and Mizzou could do it. I recall Colorado being crushed by Texas in 2001 by a score of 41-7 during the regular season only to have Colorado win the Big 12 title with a win over that same texas team, 39-37 (not anywhere that close either) in the title game.

If Tech loses and Texas wins the Big 12 it could even happen that #2 Oklahoma (11-1) woudl play #1 Texas (12-1). However, I think it more likely that Florida or Alabama would play opposite Texas.

FIESTA: Oklahoma (11-1 beaing Tech and OSU) vs. Boise State or Utah
HOLIDAY: Missouri (if they go 10-3) vs. Arizona or Oregon State
COTTON: LSU (9-3) vs. Texas Tech (if 11-1)

[EvilVodka]

If all three teams truly tie, I think people will put Texas in the Big XII Championship...especially if the Longhorns blow out Kansas and A&M

[Blue Hen]

If big time CF had a championship, the B12 might get consideration for 2 'at large ' entries this season in addidion to it's champion.