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EvilVodka
04-12-2007, 09:29 PM
I'm really hoping that this whole situation turns into an assault on today's hip hop world...I really hate that $hit

this situation IMO has turned into a complete joke...here's an article that I think points out the truth of the situation

Imus isn’t the real bad guy
Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
JASON WHITLOCK
Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

PSUFan
04-12-2007, 10:09 PM
Funny how some people can use these same words, or worse, and get away with it, while others pay the price.

I have never listened to Imus, but to get fired for something like this is completely absurd. Yeah what he said was idiotic, but like this article above says why do we stop here.

Every artist who puts out a song, movie or comedic act with a derogatory comment no matter who they are or what race they are should automatically have their contracts revoked/fired and branded with the Scarlett Letter like Imus has.

This is nothing more than a witch hunt for those who want to advance their own personal agendas

BossTalker
04-13-2007, 08:09 AM
No person in the hip-hop world has called the Rutger's team, 'Hos'. The rappers do indeed use the adjective, ho but IMO, it's used in the same context as, whore. Heidi Fleiss had 'ho's' working for her. The women at the Bunny Ranch are indeed, 'ho's'. The broad that has the book, Video Vixen known as Superhead, is a ho. Those girls playing basketball for Rutgers are not ho's. The name calling was uncalled for and undesrved. Keep the focus where it belongs...

TommyTrojan
04-13-2007, 08:15 AM
I'm really hoping that this whole situation turns into an assault on today's hip hop world...I really hate that $hit

this situation IMO has turned into a complete joke...here's an article that I think points out the truth of the situation

I always liked Whitlock when at ESPN

I agree with his comments on Coach Vivian Stringer. Go Away lady!

EvilVodka
04-13-2007, 08:47 AM
No person in the hip-hop world has called the Rutger's team, 'Hos'. The rappers do indeed use the adjective, ho but IMO, it's used in the same context as, whore. Heidi Fleiss had 'ho's' working for her. The women at the Bunny Ranch are indeed, 'ho's'. The broad that has the book, Video Vixen known as Superhead, is a ho. Those girls playing basketball for Rutgers are not ho's. The name calling was uncalled for and undesrved. Keep the focus where it belongs...

I don't think rappers are calling the women on Bunny Ranch ho's either....IMO, its more a general depiction of women

And I don't think "ho's" is necessarily directed at black women...and I don't think Imus is racist

Racism still exists, but its not near as prominant as a social issue...yet Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson still play the race card...its not the 60's anymore....hell, you've got a black man with a really good chance to be president

what I don't like is the double standard

Doc
04-13-2007, 09:07 AM
This...

'Nappy headed ho's..'

or this....

"For All My Niggaz & Bitches"
(feat. Kurupt, Daz, Rage)

[Verse One: Kurupt]

Well it's that slow flow, D-O-double-G, nigga
See these other fools but you can't see me, nigga
Who am I? (It's Kurupt motherfucker)
Do or die (We gives a fuck motherfucker)
So slow your roll, I'm In Control like Janet
The loc-est twenty-one year old nigga that's on this planet
Take it for granted, if ya wanna, cuz I'm gonna
grab my strap then clear the corner, beeotch!!

[Chorus: repeat 2X]

So all my bitches and my niggaz and my niggaz and my bitches
Wave your motherfuckin hands in the air
And if you don't give a shit
Like we don't give a shit
Wave your motherfuckin fingers in the air

[Verse Two: Daz, Kurupt]

Now on a one, two, three who could it be
Comin with a group of gangsta shit for ninety-three
So ninety-four's arrived nigga, back on up
And let me and my Dogg Kurupt fuck shit up
Now can't nobody see me here or there
wherever I bails, I put it down on the ground
Cuz ain't shit for sale in the Coupe
with the beat flossin off gold D's
And my cousin Snoop packs well, you know what I mean
And it don't take much, for the Dogg Pound to bust a cap
in your ass, for gettin us all fucked up
Now check it, it's a callin for niggaz like Doggs
who supposed to be the shit, but steadily bitchin like hogs
(Yes y'all) Walk the Doggs (yes y'all) Yiggy y'all
Stay full of that gin and juice and have a ball

I packs a strap, like that, I kicks it like this
Now how many bitches must get dick?
Before they say, that Daz is that nigga from back in the day
Ya never ever thought I'd see him bustin with Dr. Dre
Cuz I grips mics, I rips mics in half
Hoes be comin to my flat so I can tap that ass

[Chorus]

[Verse Three: Kurupt]

You're headed my way, nigga you best to hit a U-turn quick
So what's happenin? I'm cappin shit up like a Western flick
The kinpin of the clique, top notch
17 shot Glock cocked, so all nigga drop
The run of the mill fool get broke off for tryin to serve
the best Kurupt's era, peep the terror, cuz it's a murder fest
I smoke chronic everyday, so what have we
Another motherfucker, gettin served like some cavy
Now who, drops (ruff rhymes) I got full Juice like 2Pac
(plus I'm) rollin with two Glocks
Fly motherfuckers can't see Kurupt
Hellraisin like Pinhead, beware I'm tearin shit the fuck up
Slow your roll, like your legs was broken
Who's jokin? Rakim never joked, so why should I loc?
Now that's my idol, check the vital rhyme flow doe
Runnin em like Flo Jo, stranded on Death Row
Mediocre motherfuckers die cuz I'm servin it
They can't fuck with or see me I'm mass murderin
[Smokin indo, look out my window I suppose] Yeah
[Niggaz don't understand how we kicks diffrent flows]
(I'm raw like new footage) I'm rugged like a BF Goodrich
(Bring your whole set and get your hood lynched)
[Drop to your knees like a dog in heat]
Peep the murderous styles and the poetical techiques

[Chorus]

[Verse Four: Rage]

Check it out, it's Rage, ready for the breakdown
Take down, when it comes to the mic I'm puttin my weight down
And that's 175 pounds of beed
beatin yo' ass down to the concrete
Fool, act like ya know
I'm stranded on Death Row with no where to go, so
What's a girl to do
Take out a crew, or two, a few, what you wanna do?

[Snoop]
Throw your guns in the motherfuckin air, we don't care
[Dogg Pound]
Niggaz don't give a fuck nigga
[Snoop]
About nuthin at all, just my Doggs and clockin the grip bitch
[Dogg Pound]
Niggaz don't give a fuck nigga
[Snoop]
That's why I can kick it so tuff, cuz when times get ruff, my
[Dogg Pound]
Niggaz don't give a fuck nigga
[Snoop]
The clique i'm with, don't give a sheeit, ya know why?
[Dogg Pound]
Real niggaz don't give a fuck

[Chorus]


[ www.azlyrics.com ]

What Imus said was stupid. Snoop's 'rap' is vulgar, racist, sickening, and full of hate. It defines a culture that many young black men aspire to be a part of and creates far more problems within the black community than Don Imus could create in a million years. Some people need to wake up and start trying to fix the real prolems - bringing down a wealthy white guy who will probably find a new home on satelitte radio isn't going to fix the problems you find in many balck communities today.

BossTalker
04-13-2007, 10:01 AM
My question...why is the attention being diverted from what this guy said? I have never witnessed so many people concerned about rap lyrics until now. Why is that? The problem with Imus is he called the Rutgers' team out. He actually put a name on the Ho!! If a frog had a 9mm, he wouldn't have to run from a snake but IF it had been an old black guy that had said that about some white gals, it would have been a case closed, you're fired on the spot situation. Below are more comments that Imus has allegedly made in the past..

He called Venus and Serena Williams "two booma-chucka, big-butted women"

He also said the Williams Sisters didn't belong in Playboy they belonged in National Geographic.

He called the New York Knicks "chest-bumping pimps"

He referred to PBS anchor Gwen Ifill as a "cleaning lady"

He urged his producer buddy to "make fun of more Negroes"

In 1997, Imus told a "60 Minutes" employee that his program producer was brought on the staff to do "n***er jokes."

To answer your question...calling out those girls from Rutgers is much worse than that song. Until those rappers start calling individual women out, it will continue to be garbage, in which, if you don't like it, don't listen to it.

BossTalker
04-13-2007, 10:58 AM
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson still play the race card...its not the 60's anymore....hell, you've got a black man with a really good chance to be president

what I don't like is the double standard
The very next time that either Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton makes a comment on the same wave legnth as Don Imus, I hope white folk call for their firing like they did with Lamar Thomas. I guarantee you won't see black folk diverting attention as they didn't with Lamar....

Doc
04-13-2007, 11:38 AM
I'm not saying what Imus said was right; it wasn't, it was wrong. I don't think he was calling out the Rutgers team as you suggest but what he said was in very poor taste. I think to him it was a joke but it went way beyond the boundaries of good taste. I don't know that he should have lost his job over it but I also don't know what his firing solves.

I bring up Snoop because he made the statement differentiating between what he raps and what Imus said. But when I look at Snoop's lyrics and I see them being lived out in neighborhoods like Cincinnati's Over-the-Rhine district, I find what he glorifies far more damaging than what Imus said and yet, no one is trying to silence him. Personally, I don't listen to rap music but the people who do are heavily influenced by what the rappers say and far more hatred and racial separation is created as a result. Snoop and other rappers are the voice of an entire culture which celebrates behavior that will never, ever lead to racial unity. And yet, they get a free pass. Why don't Sharpton or Jackson call those guys out?

And don't tell me I don't know what its like because I'm not black. You have no idea where I come from or the things I do in my community to try and turn around lives that are so screwed up because they turn to the life style that is glorified in some rap music. I'm there and I see it. If interested, following is a link to an organization I'm president of. I guess I just wish people like Al Sharpton would show more concern with making a difference in communities that could use true leadership than waiting to bring down the next big named white person to ignorantly spew a racial slur.

http://www.ourdailybread.us/

Doc
04-13-2007, 03:04 PM
At a news conference later Friday, the Rev. DeForest Soaries, Stringer's pastor, announced a plan to hold a town meeting within 30 days on the Rutgers campus involving educators, entertainers, young people and clergy to address a culture that "has produced language that has denigrated women."

"No African-American leader, no national leader should consider this a victory," Soaries said in reference to Imus' firing. "We have to begin working on a reponse to the larger problem."

Pretty much what I said 3 hours ago, isn't it? I applaud this Reverend's comments and understanding of realizing the bigger picture and I would guess the culture he speaks of includes the 'rap stylings' of Snoop Dogg. He sounds like someone who can make a difference.

PSUFan
04-13-2007, 05:15 PM
My question...why is the attention being diverted from what this guy said? I have never witnessed so many people concerned about rap lyrics until now. Why is that?

First off...I personally do not like Don Imus. I think he's over-rated and basically sucks as a DJ. What he said was stupid and idiotic and he should be called on the carpet for it...but not lose his livelyhood.

The attention I would like everyone to take a look at is the double-standard that seems to happen when a situation like this becomes public.


Why is it okay for actors, comedians and music artist to use derogatory comments similar to what Imus used and they get away with it.

It doesn't matter if it's directed at anyone or in what context it's used, it's still derogatory any way you slice it.

As the old tired phrase goes...."you can't have your cake and eat it too."

If Imus is used as an example, then we shouldn't stop there...we should go after them all no matter what color they are.