How much does a 16 team playoff

[CJHawkeyes]

"diminish" college football's regular season? While I can appreciate that some favor a format with little or no room for error, I get the impression that some actually believe a 16 team playoff would make college football's regular season as "meaningful" as those in pro sports leagues. If, on a scale from 1-10, college football's regular season rates a 10, what would it rate with a 16 team playoff, and what do the regular seasons of the various pro sports leagues and college basketball rate? Also, what diminishes the regular season more, the size of a playoff or the room for error?

[TigerStripe]

Personally, I don't think it does diminish.

As a fan, every game is important to me.

I think the argument that a playoff would somehow diminish the importance of the regular season is just another cop out to keep this current idiocy we have with voters, polls, etc.

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[FLORIDA HERD FAN]

All you have to do is to look at the long championship playoff history of NCAA D-IAA, D-II, D-III, NAIA, the NFL,CFL, NFL Europe and high school football all across America to find your answer.

If that won't do it for you, then you can look at championship playoff histories in practically every other sport, at practically every level.

[TigerStripe]

All you have to do is to look at the long championship playoff history of NCAA D-IAA, D-II, D-III, NAIA, the NFL,CFL, NFL Europe and high school football all across America to find your answer.

If that won't do it for you, then you can look at championship playoff histories in practically every other sport, at practically every level.

So true. So true.

Instead some people still want to have this voting crap.

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[CJHawkeyes]

All you have to do is to look at the long championship playoff history of NCAA D-IAA, D-II, D-III, NAIA, the NFL,CFL, NFL Europe and high school football all across America to find your answer.

If that won't do it for you, then you can look at championship playoff histories in practically every other sport, at practically every level.


I'm asking those that think a 16 team playoff will diminish the regular season to quantify how much. I don't know how looking at history will answer the questions I asked from their perspective.

[Blue Hen]

A legitimate championship for our favorite sport could not diminish the regular season in any way, imo. A legitimate championship would actually 'intensify' the regular season, especially the conference races, because winning one may be the only ticket to the 'dance'.

If 'big time' CF's regular season rates a 10 now ( for reference-per your question ), then it would rate a 20 if the post was to become 'meaningful'.

[CJHawkeyes]

A legitimate championship for our favorite sport could not diminish the regular season in any way, imo. A legitimate championship would actually 'intensify' the regular season, especially the conference races, because winning one may be the only ticket to the 'dance'.

If 'big time' CF's regular season rates a 10 now ( for reference-per your question ), then it would rate a 20 if the post was to become 'meaningful'.


While I agree with you, I want to know what those opposed to a playoff think. Interestingly, I found a blog written by someone that opposes playoffs and some of his arguments are among the worst I have ever heard. A playoff is "unfair" because luck could enable a team to advance. Of course, luck never allows a team to run the table and slip in through the backdoor due to another team losing. For example, Florida never gets a shot if not for UCLA upsetting USC. And bad luck never denies an unbeaten team a shot. Ironically, the guy also argues that a playoff is bad because it doesn't correct for upsets. Of course, upsets never shape the national title race under the current format. He also doesn't trust a playoff, a series of one and dones as he refers to it, to sort out the best team. Never mind that its purpose is not to sort out the best team, but he fails to notice that the regular season is a series of one and dones where luck and upsets play a much larger role in determining a champion. He also argues that he remembers the details from regular season football games moreso than from regular season basketball games. Apparently, a playoff in football will prevent him from remembering what happened in the Penn State-Northwestern game. What makes this argument even funnier is that in his personal rankings, unbeaten Boise State ranks behind three-loss Oklahoma and one-loss Wisconsin ranks behind four loss Arkansas and 11-2 Auburn, which beat his #1 and #6 teams, is lurking outside the top 15. Based on those rankings, what good does it do any team if he remebers the details of games if he fails to reward who won?

[Blue Hen]

It's really very comical........some of the warpt logic you see in these CF forums in support of the`'mythical' system over a 'real' and open championship system.

[HellYeahHokie]

It's really very comical........some of the warpt logic you see in these CF forums in support of the`'mythical' system over a 'real' and open championship system.

I posted instructions to add an avitar for you Hen. Did you see them, or were you just not able to follow them?

[Bucky]

It's really very comical........some of the warpt logic you see in these CF forums in support of the`'mythical' system over a 'real' and open championship system.

I don't know of any sensible college football fan who opposes a playoff. I am fed up with the constant nagging and bitching about a possible playoff.

Why continue to beat the dead horse?? Enjoy college football for what it is, not what it should be.

[CJHawkeyes]

I don't know of any sensible college football fan who opposes a playoff. I am fed up with the constant nagging and bitching about a possible playoff.

Why continue to beat the dead horse?? Enjoy college football for what it is, not what it should be.

And what is college football? It is the best game encompassed by the worst competition in sports. In fact, the competition is anti-competitive and exists in its current format in order to protect the pocketbooks of the those in charge. Winners and losers in this system are determined by irrelevant opinions, popularity, conference membership, television ratings, and attendance whereas other sports only use the scoreboard. Teams play lopsided home and away schedules and most open dates are bodybag games. 120 teams in I-A and several step down to I-AA because playing 7 or 8 home games matters more than playing games that serve a competitive purpose. Unbeatens are guaranteed nothing and those that ultimately get nothing aren't even matched (see Auburn-Utah) in bowl games for the benefit of fans. Add to that the number of unevenly matched bowl games that often produce uninspired play from the favorites. I didn't start this thread to beat a dead horse. I was asking playoff opponents to quantify the meaningfulness of the regular season with a playoff in relation to the status quo and other sports. However, so long as we are stuck with a dead horse I'll continue to beat it AND still enjoy college football for what it is, a great game.

[Blue Hen]

I got your instructions, HYH.....thanks. Haven't tried anything yet. I've got a 'blue hen' on my desktop but I can't even get online with that thing.

[Blue Hen]

I'm with CJH............we'll continue to enjoy the great 'game' of CF. However, hammering away for a playoff is still a good thing to do in CF forums. Don't be satisfied with this 'mythical' post seson $hit, Bucky...get mad !

[ZOOMBAG]

"diminish" college football's regular season? While I can appreciate that some favor a format with little or no room for error, I get the impression that some actually believe a 16 team playoff would make college football's regular season as "meaningful" as those in pro sports leagues. If, on a scale from 1-10, college football's regular season rates a 10, what would it rate with a 16 team playoff, and what do the regular seasons of the various pro sports leagues and college basketball rate? Also, what diminishes the regular season more, the size of a playoff or the room for error?

What it does is lessen the significance of the tiny number of truely good intersectional games, such as Ohio St - Texas the last two years. It also diminishes a very tiny number of big conference game played early in the season because even though a team that loses early can still win the conference, they are likely eliminated from the NATIONAL title picture in Sept (see Tenn-Fl games the past 10 years). For the vast majority of the rest it INCREASES the significance of most games. All of a sudden every conference game with a conference champioship becomes MORE important. Every game between likely at-large candidates become MORE important as seeding as well as at-large status becomes significant. Add in a system with first round byes and even MORE games gain importance.

So you diminish the importance of a tiny handful of big games each year but more than offset that by making many, many MORE games "important" to the national fan.

[Blue Hen]

Bottom Line.....as I see it

A true championship sport cannot have a 'meaningful' regular season without having a 'meaningful' post season. D1 'Bowl Div' football is, basically, an exhibition sport.